Not all the Santa Fe rifles are so marked. Mmost were just marked o nthe 5 round mag, which was often lost. This may well be one of those. In any event, it's not what he said it was. Please go re-read my above post. It is accurate, I promise.
Please help me identify this No. 4 Enfield
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Claven2 said:
With heavy heart I report that I am returning the rifle to the seller. He offered to give me my money back and I accepted. I like the rifle, it looks good, I like the grey parkerizing and muzzle brake. However, it is obvious to me that I would have my hands full trying to resell it in the future.
He said he did not have this rifle at the Orangeville show.
He honestly seems to believe his story about the rifle, he is sincere but has no literature to back his story, and I do not want to buy a pig in a poke.
cantom said:
Well, it must be coincidental that's there are two modified Enfields with exactly the same attributes and "special commando" provenance, appearing at various gun shows in the same geographic region. ....
That's too bad you're returning it, but I'm sure we'll see it at other gun shows in the future.
Regards,
Badger
BadgerDog said:Well, it must be coincidental that's there are two modified Enfields with exactly the same attributes and "special commando" provenance, appearing at various gun shows in the same geographic region. ....
That's too bad you're returning it, but I'm sure we'll see it at other gun shows in the future.
Regards,
Badger
He just came here and gave me the money back and took the rifle back. He sticks to his story, and sincerely believes in it. As for me, I like the gun but don't want to be permanently stuck with it.
He's an honourable guy, I offered him $10 for gas and he wouldn't take it. He also quickly offered me my money back if I wasnt happy, and I wasn't.
I took some pics of it for your perusal, and without further ado...here they are.
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Claven2 said:
Did you sell it to him in the first place? You seem pretty sure of your facts...
BTW, I believe you're right. Why? After running a patch down the bore from the breech, the muzzle crown cleaned right up and...what did I see but an uncrowned muzzle down in the flash hider. Meaning...probable basement hacksaw job. If it was a British factory job as he claims, it'd at least have good machine work. Also, I can't believe the British would have a set screw sticking out of the right side of the hider...
It wasn't done recently. I'll guess it was done long ago, but I do believe it is a legitimate Bubba.(is there such a thing...
)I'd pay $100 for it, as what it is.
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Hey,i have one of these rifles,the seller said he took it to the war museum in Ottawa and they told him it was a special forces rifle?????.who ever converted or made them up did a real nice job.There is also one of these at Milarm in Edmonton
Hardy said:
Could you please post pics of it? Or email them to
tom.loan@gmail.com
How does the muzzle crown look inside the flash hider?
Is there a set screw on the right side of the hider?
BadgerDog said:Well, it must be coincidental that's there are two modified Enfields with exactly the same attributes and "special commando" provenance, appearing at various gun shows in the same geographic region. ....
That's too bad you're returning it, but I'm sure we'll see it at other gun shows in the future.
Regards,
Badger
Badger- I called Milarm today, and what a surprise, they have the same gun there in the store, for sale for $500. It is just as mine, the stories and description even match. Gordon said he's seen at least 10 of them go through the store over the last few years. He said they have a picture somewhere of British soldiers using them. He said someone had brought a crate of them into Canada a while back. He also said Skennerton is looking into them.
I called the seller back, and tonight drove 100 miles and bought it back...it's mine.
I also bought a BSA no 1 mk III Forager .410 shotgun in mint shape from him.
It appears to be a nice Jungle Carbine fersure...$200 you have a helluva nice rifle.
But looking at the receiver it's not a No5 Mk1
If this is a Enfield No5 varient , it certainly would be interesting to hear about .
No4 receiver top...No5 bottom
* note the lightening cuts under the rearsight and the fluting on the barrel.
But looking at the receiver it's not a No5 Mk1
If this is a Enfield No5 varient , it certainly would be interesting to hear about .
No4 receiver top...No5 bottom
* note the lightening cuts under the rearsight and the fluting on the barrel.
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cantom said:
I collected Enfields for a long time, had many many examples, and have researched literally hundreds of rifles for other collectors, even speaking to Ian Skennerton himslef several times respecting scarcer finds.
Don't believe me if you don't want to, but I'm not wrong in this.
cantom said:
I live down the street from the war museum. Your gunshow expert is lying to you.
That's not even a Santa Fe in the pictures from what I can tell. It's bubba's "interpretation" of the jungle carbine. The flash hider is aftermarket too. Originals used taper pins, not set screws.
cantom said:After running a patch down the bore from the breech, the muzzle crown cleaned right up and...what did I see but an uncrowned muzzle down in the flash hider. Meaning...probable basement hacksaw job. If it was a British factory job as he claims, it'd at least have good machine work. Also, I can't believe the British would have a set screw sticking out of the right side of the hider...
It wasn't done recently. I'll guess it was done long ago, but I do believe it is a legitimate Bubba.(is there such a thing...
I'd pay $100 for it, as what it is.
In my opinion, your follow-up instincts above were right on ......
As claven2 said, "buy the rifle, not the story"...............
In the absence of any empirical data, plus a barrel that's been sawed off with an uncrowned muzzle and a set screw sticking out of the side of a flash eliminator add-on, does that really sound like any Enfield arsenal official production?
In any event, enjoy the rifle. At $200, if you ever decide to sell it, you can always move it to Milarm and get $300, so he can put it on the shelf with the "commando story" and ask $500 ....
If you ever want a decent photo montage for the really expert Enfield folks here to see, I'd be happy to pay your shipping both ways and put it up in the MKB with a detailed series of pics.
In fact, if I remember correctly, Sgt Striker lives down in Woodstock and he's a very knowledgeable Enfield collector (much more so than me), so he might even be willing to drop over, have a look and take some pics?
Regards,
Badger
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Claven2 said:
No #### eh, I've never seen someone fall for the same bull#### story twice in a week.........
Seriously, I'm going to start buying $75 bubba's and telling elaborate stories about their origins and sell them to some fools for a nice profit.
I mean, when they don't even beleive the knowledgeable folks around here it will be like taking candy from a baby........I have seen one photo of a soldier in the Far east with a No. 4 which had its foreend cut back - but it was certainly not one of these. If there is a batch of these rifles around, obviously someone made them up. The questions are who, where, when and why. It is remotely possible that they were done in a military/police/maybe official/militia workshop somewhere, anywhere. The "Commando" story seems very far fetched. Remember the Nic. Cyp. sort of No. 5s, that originated in a dealer's workshop, that were being touted as having been made up in Cyprus? Just a suggestion - if these things were genuine British Commando conversions, there would be real documentation with them, and the price would be a LOT higher.
BadgerDog said:In my opinion, your follow-up instincts above were right on ......
As claven2 said, "buy the rifle, not the story"...............
In the absence of any empirical data, plus a barrel that's been sawed off with an uncrowned muzzle and a set screw sticking out of the side of a flash eliminator add-on, does that really sound like any Enfield arsenal official production?
In any event, enjoy the rifle. At $200, if you ever decide to sell it, you can always move it to Milarm and get $300, so he can put it on the shelf with the "commando story" and ask $500 ....
If you ever want a decent photo montage for the really expert Enfield folks here to see, I'd be happy to pay your shipping both ways and put it up in the MKB with a detailed series of pics.
In fact, if I remember correctly, Sgt Striker lives down in Woodstock and he's a very knowledgeable Enfield collector (much more so than me), so he might even be willing to drop over, have a look and take some pics?
Regards,
Badger
The Sgt. Striker idea would be easier. If he gives me a shout it can be done.
Hitzy said:No s**t eh, I've never seen someone fall for the same bulls**t story twice in a week.........
Seriously, I'm going to start buying $75 bubba's and telling elaborate stories about their origins and sell them to some fools for a nice profit.
Hitzy- I find your tone more than a little bit insulting. Would you speak thus in front of my face or only hiding behind a keyboard? I wouldn't recommend it friend.
The transfer just took place...the lady from the CFC told him that it is a model No 4 1/2, which is also what he had told me. She said it was made for the Royal Marine Commandos and they were also made in 7.62. That's right from the CFC folks.
Milarms' specimen also has an uncrowned barrel. Ask Gordon about these rifles.
