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John - that only applies to M1917 rifles. P.'14s do not have the date at the muzzle. As you say, the date ('16) at the breech end is the date of the barrel proof. That rifle (W27041) was accepted by British inspectors at the factory in week ending 26 August 1916.
Nickh5173 - If you intend to use that stock you will need to buy a Remington barreled action not a Winchester, as the stock is from a Mark I(R) Remington made rifle. See the stock cartouche in the earlier pictures.
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TonyE
Allright, this is a VERY early Winchester P-'14 rifle. The Body (Receiver) was made late in 1915, the rifle accepted as new in 1916.
The Birmingham proofs (all that 2.222" 18.5 TONS/" square .303") are from the 1950s, when this rifle was finally surplussed.
The W, of course, is Winchester. They did not produce all that many of these rifles because they were engagd in a lot of other work.... as well as doing the required MODS to the design to adapt it to US production methods AND doing toe tooling for the other plants. They were busy little beavers!
Winchesters are scarce, especially in nice condition. I am restoring W305, a rifle from the second pre-production batch which went t England for approval before production-in-earnest began.
I am VERY interested in that PHAB-2 marking under the wrist of the stock. I have the SAME Marking on a Royal Navy/Royal Marines "stripped" Ross..... and I have PHAB-1 on another Ross. We are thinking this could be Naval or Marines from PRIDDY'S HARD AMMUNITIONING BASE.
It's late now, but I am going to go over the photos again later, VERY carefully.
BTW, that the Dial Indicator is still there but the Pointer of the Dial Sight is missing would indicate that this rifle served also during World War Two. These parts were removed after WWI on rifles which were kept in Service.
Personally, I think this one is WORTH a full restoraton....... but that's me.
Hope this is a little help.
The Birmingham proofs (all that 2.222" 18.5 TONS/" square .303") are from the 1950s, when this rifle was finally surplussed.
The W, of course, is Winchester. They did not produce all that many of these rifles because they were engagd in a lot of other work.... as well as doing the required MODS to the design to adapt it to US production methods AND doing toe tooling for the other plants. They were busy little beavers!
Winchesters are scarce, especially in nice condition. I am restoring W305, a rifle from the second pre-production batch which went t England for approval before production-in-earnest began.
I am VERY interested in that PHAB-2 marking under the wrist of the stock. I have the SAME Marking on a Royal Navy/Royal Marines "stripped" Ross..... and I have PHAB-1 on another Ross. We are thinking this could be Naval or Marines from PRIDDY'S HARD AMMUNITIONING BASE.
It's late now, but I am going to go over the photos again later, VERY carefully.
BTW, that the Dial Indicator is still there but the Pointer of the Dial Sight is missing would indicate that this rifle served also during World War Two. These parts were removed after WWI on rifles which were kept in Service.
Personally, I think this one is WORTH a full restoraton....... but that's me.
Hope this is a little help.
Smellie - I would be most interested to know your reference for stating that this rifle was made in late 1915 since the first ten Winchester rifles were not accepted at the factory until 15 February 1916 and forwarded to Britain for inspection. I cannot see that some 27,000 rifles had been manufactured before the first ones were accepted.
With regard to your own rifle, W305, I have an original volume of the Minutes of the Small Arms Section of the Munitions Design Committee which covers the inspection of the early Pattern '14 rifles from all three manufacturers. Unfortunately it only lists five of the first ten Winchesters by serial number, being W22, W27, W40, W43 and W47. Do you have a list of the other serial numbers and also those of the second batch, of which you say yours is one?
Many thanks,
TonyE
With regard to your own rifle, W305, I have an original volume of the Minutes of the Small Arms Section of the Munitions Design Committee which covers the inspection of the early Pattern '14 rifles from all three manufacturers. Unfortunately it only lists five of the first ten Winchesters by serial number, being W22, W27, W40, W43 and W47. Do you have a list of the other serial numbers and also those of the second batch, of which you say yours is one?
Many thanks,
TonyE
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Thankyou for the pictures. Ok the rifle is not a Danish "Greenland" Rifle use by Hinuit hunters and Danish population for hunting and selfdefence. Some of them where use also by danish Artic troops "Sirius Patrol". Ok a terible raped P14 to restore as better as possible
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OP if you really want to restore this, I have some sight ears that were hack sawed off P14 actions back in the milsurps "happy time". But even with the help of a most talented welder and machinist, and some suitable jigs built using an undamaged receiver, to hold the rear sight axis screw in exactly the right position relative to the action and the foresight, this probably just isn't worth doing. Sad, especially with a matching number back sight, but Bubba is as Bubba does and this Bubba has left a lasting monument to his stupidity.
You might as well get a good machinist to finish the job properly by milling and grinding that area to the same profile and plane as the receiver ring and make a nice sporter out of it. Choose any calibre you like, none are too powerful for the P14 action.
You might as well get a good machinist to finish the job properly by milling and grinding that area to the same profile and plane as the receiver ring and make a nice sporter out of it. Choose any calibre you like, none are too powerful for the P14 action.
Gent's thanks again for all the info. So here's my plan.... I'll start looking for a donor (sporter, Barreled action) from the EE. I just want to confirm that I will be looking for an early (1914-1916) Remington in order to match the stock.
In my spare time I'm going to attempt to un-bubba what I have now.
Smellie, from your post you stated that you would restore this rifle and that it is an early model. Can you please elaborate on what you would do for a FULL restoration since from my understanding right now is that the Remington stock does NOT match the Winchester barreled action so I would be better off trying to restore the Barreled action and finding a Winchester stock to go with it? Please correct me if I'm out to lunch on this one.
Cheers!
In my spare time I'm going to attempt to un-bubba what I have now.
Smellie, from your post you stated that you would restore this rifle and that it is an early model. Can you please elaborate on what you would do for a FULL restoration since from my understanding right now is that the Remington stock does NOT match the Winchester barreled action so I would be better off trying to restore the Barreled action and finding a Winchester stock to go with it? Please correct me if I'm out to lunch on this one.
Cheers!
