Plinking off range with 10 Round Mags

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Hello everyone, sorry if this has been asked before, I tried searching and could come up with nothing (not that the engine here helped much, too many limits on word size!).

I was wondering what are the issues surrounding me plinking in a gravel pit or in the woods, where it is safe and legal to do so with a 10 Rd. LAR-15 Magazine in my non-restricted Ar-180b? Could I have 10 rounds in, or would a MNR or police officer automatically assume I am hunting and say the limit is 3?

Also,does putting a 10 round handgun magazine, the LAR-15 in this case, in a NON-restricted rifle make it suddenly restricted by some weird Canadian law?

I figure it would be a bit of a pain to take my 180b out and have to change mags every three rounds, so being able to use my 10 rounders would be ideal.

Thanks in advance!
 
The 3 round rule only applies to shotguns when hunting migratory birds. Mind you, where you are matters too. In Ontario, it's 3 rounds in the shotgun period. In a centre fire rifle, a 10 round mag is evil. Five rounds only. It won't change the status of the rifle, but you'll very likely get some grief from a CO.
In Ontario, if you're in the bush with any firearm, you are assumed to be hunting. Even though there is no law that says this. If a CO stops you and you have no hunting licence you will be charged. Have a firearm chambered in a cartridge not suitable for whatever season is open, you will be charged. Having targets with you might and likely will make this go away though. As long as you're being safe, you should be ok. You do need to know exactly what is behind your back stop. For several miles.
Commercial gravel pits are usually posted as 'No Trepassing' too.
 
sunray said:
The 3 round rule only applies to shotguns when hunting migratory birds. Mind you, where you are matters too. In Ontario, it's 3 rounds in the shotgun period. In a centre fire rifle, a 10 round mag is evil. Five rounds only. It won't change the status of the rifle, but you'll very likely get some grief from a CO.
In Ontario, if you're in the bush with any firearm, you are assumed to be hunting. Even though there is no law that says this. If a CO stops you and you have no hunting licence you will be charged. Have a firearm chambered in a cartridge not suitable for whatever season is open, you will be charged. Having targets with you might and likely will make this go away though. As long as you're being safe, you should be ok. You do need to know exactly what is behind your back stop. For several miles.
Commercial gravel pits are usually posted as 'No Trepassing' too.
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No offense to you guys living in Ontario, but holy crap do you guys have it ####ty! What is with all this assumption of guilt that seems to be pushed on you? If there's no law that states you can't be out with a firearm then what is the charge??? I mean what to they put on the legal paperwork? Don't they have to quote, in writing, what section of legislation you are allegedly in violation of, like everywhere else in the country? The supreme court has made it clear that negligence on the part of law enforcement leaves them open to professional and personal lawsuits - if laying charges based on a law that doesn't exist, or sections that don't exist, isn't blatantly neglegent then I don't know what is.
 
The 10 round magazine being referred to is legal. Using it in a AR-180B would not change the status of your rifle - it would still be non-restricted.
If you are hunting, check the hunting regulations for your jurisdiction, and see if there is a magazine capacity limit for hunting. If you can access a privately owned gravel pit, and if there are no bylaws regulating discharge of firearms, plink away. If someone hears gunshots, and drops a dime on you, the LEO who responds probably will never have heard about a legal 10 round magazine for a semi auto centrefire, so you might want to have some paper with you. If you are in the woods, you do want to be able to demonstrate that you are not hunting out of season. Or, if you are hunting, that you are licenced, and there is an open season. Once again, check the regulations in your jurisdiction.
 
It would suck to be plinking away and have a LEO show up, probably with gun drawn, with your 'black assault rifle.' I can't see that being fun in anyway.
 
lone-wolf said:
It would suck to be plinking away and have a LEO show up, probably with gun drawn, with your 'black assault rifle.' I can't see that being fun in anyway.
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It sucks worse to hide at home with your toy. If it ain't against the law, then let them get used to what the law is.
 
joe-nwt said:
It sucks worse to hide at home with your toy. If it ain't against the law, then let them get used to what the law is.
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Yeah I know, just wouldn't want to be shot waiting for them to get used to what the law is, and not what they think it is.
 
do they have carry permits in Ontario?
I used to have one in BC, where it was used if you didnt have a hunting license. It allowed you to be in the bush and target practice.
I am not even sure if we still have these or not.. my last one expired in 2005, and I have always had a hunting license since.
 
lone-wolf said:
Yeah I know, just wouldn't want to be shot waiting for them to get used to what the law is, and not what they think it is.
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And people get shot for plinking in a gravel pit with a 10 round mag in your part of the country?:eek:

Whoa. Tough neighborhood!
 
hoochie said:
do they have carry permits in Ontario?
I used to have one in BC, where it was used if you didnt have a hunting license. It allowed you to be in the bush and target practice.
I am not even sure if we still have these or not.. my last one expired in 2005, and I have always had a hunting license since.
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The old $20.00 carry permit for five years was replaced with our POL or PAL, the BC goverment dropped the old carry permit some time ago but relpaced it with a BC pellet gun liscense for those who do not have or need a federal liscense for their pellet guns.
 
"...do they have carry permits in Ontario?..." Only for working prospectors and trappers. Other than the "normal" ATT.
There's a lot of stuff here that is based on 'policy'. Said policy is permitted by the FA because the Socialist F**ks gave the implementation of the FA to the Provinces. It lets the CPFO decide what can be done and what can't.
"...what is the charge???..." Hunting without a licence. Have a rifle chambered in a calibre that is not suitable for whatever season is open, like a .308, the charge is hunting out of season. The hunting licence thing comes from the MNR who have decided that the only reason to have a rifle in the bush is for hunting.
Most of this nonsense came to us via the NDP experiment. So did the Outdoors Card Tax. A permit to allow you to buy a hunting licence.
 
sunray said:
The 3 round rule only applies to shotguns when hunting migratory birds. Mind you, where you are matters too. In Ontario, it's 3 rounds in the shotgun period. In a centre fire rifle, a 10 round mag is evil. Five rounds only. It won't change the status of the rifle, but you'll very likely get some grief from a CO.
In Ontario, if you're in the bush with any firearm, you are assumed to be hunting. Even though there is no law that says this. If a CO stops you and you have no hunting licence you will be charged. Have a firearm chambered in a cartridge not suitable for whatever season is open, you will be charged. Having targets with you might and likely will make this go away though. As long as you're being safe, you should be ok. You do need to know exactly what is behind your back stop. For several miles.
Commercial gravel pits are usually posted as 'No Trepassing' too.
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Have you had personal experience with this Sunray?

CK
 
Northman999 said:
No offense to you guys living in Ontario, but holy crap do you guys have it s**tty! What is with all this assumption of guilt that seems to be pushed on you? If there's no law that states you can't be out with a firearm then what is the charge??? I mean what to they put on the legal paperwork? Don't they have to quote, in writing, what section of legislation you are allegedly in violation of, like everywhere else in the country? The supreme court has made it clear that negligence on the part of law enforcement leaves them open to professional and personal lawsuits - if laying charges based on a law that doesn't exist, or sections that don't exist, isn't blatantly neglegent then I don't know what is.
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well, with the revolving-door justice system here in Ontario, the multitude of stupid charges are handled quickly and efficiently by the prosecutors and judges so its only a minor hassle
 
sunray said:
The 3 round rule only applies to shotguns when hunting migratory birds. Mind you, where you are matters too. In Ontario, it's 3 rounds in the shotgun period. In a centre fire rifle, a 10 round mag is evil. Five rounds only. It won't change the status of the rifle, but you'll very likely get some grief from a CO.
In Ontario, if you're in the bush with any firearm, you are assumed to be hunting. Even though there is no law that says this. If a CO stops you and you have no hunting licence you will be charged. Have a firearm chambered in a cartridge not suitable for whatever season is open, you will be charged. Having targets with you might and likely will make this go away though. As long as you're being safe, you should be ok. You do need to know exactly what is behind your back stop. For several miles.
Commercial gravel pits are usually posted as 'No Trepassing' too.
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It was my understanding that if you were in the bush when there was an open season.....use deer for this example....and you were carrying a firearm of a caliber that could be used to hunt deer...and you didn't have a license....then you could be considered to be hunting/poaching. If there was no open season, and you were carrying say a 30-30, and a bunch of targets...then you were ok. If I'm not correct here, when did this change????

How are you supposed to ever target practice if there isn't a range around ???? Go buy a deer license and only go out plinking when season opens??? I think you're taking the "your hunting no matter what" idea past what the laws actually are.
 
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Publican said:
Can we carry our .22's in the woods without a hunting license? Or do we have to have one for any carry?
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So long as you have a PAL or POL you are legally allowed to carry a firearm in the bush in BC. If it is hunting season, and you don't have a hunting license, you could be assumed to be hunting without a license and be hassled, although they have no proof and would not press the issue.
 
I remember getting busted shooting in a VERY bad spot. It was a native reserve west of Calgary where a shooting had taken place the week before. After a whole ####load of explaining to some ver agitated RCMP I was escorted from the area.

The one lady cop was a ##### and likely wanted to throw the book at me. The two young male cops were busy checking out my hardware asking questions:). I imagine I owe them some thanks for saving my ass from a heap of trouble. I know the story is random but this talk makes me think of it.
 
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