POA and POI shift when shooting off hand/baricade

Ryan, last summer at Connaught at 900 metres in team training, I fired three consecutive shots 8" high and 8" left in the 4 ring. I realized I had a poor cheek weld, when I re-alligned I was in the middle
 
I always zero in ALL the positions im going to be shooting in. Zeros change with changes in body position. At some point you record it, find out that its repeatable and then carry on to more important things. ;)
 
So how do you do this? Set your base line zero. Then when you practice record wtf the shot went then hold off? For all positions?

I just make sure gun is level and I am parallax free. Then send it.
 
So how do you do this? Set your base line zero. Then when you practice record wtf the shot went then hold off? For all positions?

I just make sure gun is level and I am parallax free. Then send it.

Yuup. Straight behind the wheel with a good view thru the glass and send it.
 
I just say "Dette er for Odin!" before I pull the trigger. I'm beginning to think he's not listening though, as I've yet to win a competition.:sniper:
 
So how do you do this? Set your base line zero. Then when you practice record wtf the shot went then hold off? For all positions?

I just make sure gun is level and I am parallax free. Then send it.

My feeling is no... what you have to learn is how to keep eye and body position vs the rifle vs the original sight in to be consistent.

The LOP does change with various positions BUT you can adjust to keep the eye position to scope to recoil pad to shoulder the same. If you are shooting properly, your POA and POI will not change with positions.

The compromise in a non adjustable LOP/comb stock is to find the best set up for all positions - what a hunter does. If you can adjust the stock quickly and repeatably, then adjust as needed.

But I would set it up for the best overall position as changes in position is likely too fast to let you play with the stock.... just like a hunter has to adapt.

Jerry
 
My POI does not change with shooting position in any of my rifles. Change in POI with position change is most often caused by a change in eye position and exasperated by parallax not being set right. People are taught to set up rifles for prone shooting and this usually results in the cheek riser being too high for positional shooting. You get shadowing at the top of the view due to the eye being higher and this results in the bullet hitting low. If the eye changes position horizontally, there will also be a shift in POI in the opposite direction. Jacob demonstrates it really well in the video.


Having to incorporate offsets would be a nightmare in matches like PRS where positions and target distances are always different. The only offset I record is for urban prone.
 
My POI does not change with shooting position in any of my rifles. Change in POI with position change is most often caused by a change in eye position and exasperated by parallax not being set right. People are taught to set up rifles for prone shooting and this usually results in the cheek riser being too high for positional shooting. You get shadowing at the top of the view due to the eye being higher and this results in the bullet hitting low. If the eye changes position horizontally, there will also be a shift in POI in the opposite direction. Jacob demonstrates it really well in the video.


Having to incorporate offsets would be a nightmare in matches like PRS where positions and target distances are always different. The only offset I record is for urban prone.

Yes my thoughts as well .

I have not got to shoot a PRS match yet . But most of my longer range hunting is done of tripods not prone
 
If I pull the shot it's drivers error

I agree. lol

No other reason actually with a precision mechanical instrument.
Short of mechanical failure and missed atmospherics, it's the driver and I've driven poorly frequently however that's why it's challenging.
 
If you change the way it recoils it will always change the POI. My Garand when shooting coat and sling puts a lot of flex on the gun. The same gun off a rest then shoots to the top left corner of the 4x4 target. Using a 308 Palma rifle when strapped in and centered on the bull, then when shot off a rest will shoot over the top of the 6' target at 900m.
 
No, it's not the flex it's the change in controlling the recoil. ie., the Palma rifle when strapped in controls the recoil much more than when shooting off a rest.
 
So how do you do this? Set your base line zero. Then when you practice record wtf the shot went then hold off? For all positions?

I just make sure gun is level and I am parallax free. Then send it.

Set your zero for the position you will be taking most of your shots from. Then shoot in the different positions and figure out if there's a difference. If its big enough record, remember and either hold off a bit or dial the correction. HOWEVER I will say that most people likely DON'T shoot well enough positionally to notice a difference.
 
Also having a level you can see when your behind the gun looking threw the scope is a must
 
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