Poachers!
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Please tell me your kidding. I hit a deer friday night and there was nothing careless in my driving. I was doing 80 km/h in a 80 zone, The deer came out like he had a heat seaking missle attached to him. I left him for the road crew too as he was jello after my chevy was done with him.
Huh?
I have a habit of attracting the attention of CO's who either set up annoying stings or pick the worst times to ask for tags, etc. I am always legal, they just seem to choose annoying times for this request...like when the bush is quiet.
loogie33 said:
I have been driving Hwy 32 through central Alberta for 30 years and haven't hit a single animal and the reason is because I PAY ATTENTION, WATCH FOR THE DEER/MOOSE, SLOW DOWN AS REQUIRED and DRIVE ACCORDING TO ROAD CONDITIONS. I DO NOT OVER-DRIVE MY VISIBILITY.
I know there are thimes when it cannot be prevented, but I think vehicle and wildlife collisions are preventable 99.5% of the time.
Hey, I have driven with a lot of other guys, while on my way to work and some people do not pay any attention whatsoever to the wildlife in the ditch and some guys even when they do see the deer, still barrel down the road without regard to the deers behavior, where it is, what it is doing etc...
Anyway, I think the waste of wildlife along our roadways is every bit as big an issue and tragedy, as the critters that are shot and left (whether it is intentional or lost by wounding).
My opinion, fwiw...
Well either you don't drive at night...or you drive at about 30km/h.
I think you are WAY overestimating % of avoidable collisions. And I know its been in other threads(but I forget about Alberta), can't you pick up roadkill. A road-kiiled deer/moose wouldn't last 10 MIN. on the side of the road here.
You have never been to southwestern Ontario. You can be Michael Schumacher and you still don't stand a chance on some of the side roads. And as previously posted it rarely goes to waste in the rural area's
I am a shiftworker (our shifts are 12 hours) and our plant runs 24-7, 365. Half the year we drive to or from work in black dark. We see up to 50-60 deer along the highway during our drive, sometimes. Don't see so many moose the last half dozen years, as numbers have dropped, but we also are dodging them; a lot easier I might add.
Over the years I have made an estimated 5400 trips to work, another 5400 returning home, on that highway that has a lot of deer. Never hit one.
I have no idea how many trips I've made outside of work.
I lived in Swan Hills for 17 years and let me tell you, Hwy 33 from Fort Assiniboine to Swan Hills is way worse then Hwy 32.
I stand by what I said, there is no excuse for piling into deer/moose on our highways.
You guys that run into deer and say, "Oh that was unavoidable..." are just making excuses.
Over the years I have made an estimated 5400 trips to work, another 5400 returning home, on that highway that has a lot of deer. Never hit one.
I have no idea how many trips I've made outside of work.
I lived in Swan Hills for 17 years and let me tell you, Hwy 33 from Fort Assiniboine to Swan Hills is way worse then Hwy 32.
I stand by what I said, there is no excuse for piling into deer/moose on our highways.
You guys that run into deer and say, "Oh that was unavoidable..." are just making excuses.
Some of the drivers may be careless, others are victims of circumstance. I guess it depends where you're driving, but surely you've had a deer jump out in front of you.
I know speed plays a roll in many deer collisions, but are you suggesting everyone traveling at the speed limit is being careless?
Pudelpointer
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I have to mostly agree with Demonical here.
I have driven all over Alberta and BC, more often then not at night (I have over 525,000km on my little ranger. Really. No I am serious, it's not a typo), and after 20 years of driving hit my first (and hopefully last) deer two years ago. I had managed to slow down and avoid a mule deer doe on a gravel road and was watching her jump the fence when a little buck jumped out on the opposite side of the road. I locked up the brakes but on gravel it did not help much. His bum bounced off the hood of my truck and he continued on and jumped the fence as well. Was he "unhurt", I can not say but my truck was not damaged.
I have had more close calls then I can remember but I pay close attention to the road at night and always slow down whenever I see glowing eyes, even though it usually turns out to be a cat or a 'yote.
Accidents happen, that is for sure, but I see people driving way over the limit at night and have watched many people not even touch there brakes as they have driven right through a herd of deer..... even elk!
I think more often then not these collisions are preventable.
I have driven all over Alberta and BC, more often then not at night (I have over 525,000km on my little ranger. Really. No I am serious, it's not a typo), and after 20 years of driving hit my first (and hopefully last) deer two years ago. I had managed to slow down and avoid a mule deer doe on a gravel road and was watching her jump the fence when a little buck jumped out on the opposite side of the road. I locked up the brakes but on gravel it did not help much. His bum bounced off the hood of my truck and he continued on and jumped the fence as well. Was he "unhurt", I can not say but my truck was not damaged.
I have had more close calls then I can remember but I pay close attention to the road at night and always slow down whenever I see glowing eyes, even though it usually turns out to be a cat or a 'yote.
Accidents happen, that is for sure, but I see people driving way over the limit at night and have watched many people not even touch there brakes as they have driven right through a herd of deer..... even elk!
I think more often then not these collisions are preventable.
it is hard at times to avoid hitting a deer.
ive avoided hitting one deer, and had its baby come running out sevral seconds after and all i saw of it was the glint of its head as it took out the headlight and drivers door of my passat. (i slowed down and moved to the other side of the road to avoid the doe. and the fawn popped out and it got hit).
in general if your paying attention to the surrounding area you can see a deer, on the shoulder or in the ditch, but there are times it is unavoidable. and as unfortunate as it is for the deer, its also costly to the driver (car repairs, and depending could be the driver or passengers lives).
on a side note, if the animal is large enough, you can call the ministry and ask if you can take the animal for meat. brother in la last year got a big buck some older woman hit, just put his tag on it and put it in the back of his truck after helping the woman with her flat tire.
ive avoided hitting one deer, and had its baby come running out sevral seconds after and all i saw of it was the glint of its head as it took out the headlight and drivers door of my passat. (i slowed down and moved to the other side of the road to avoid the doe. and the fawn popped out and it got hit).
in general if your paying attention to the surrounding area you can see a deer, on the shoulder or in the ditch, but there are times it is unavoidable. and as unfortunate as it is for the deer, its also costly to the driver (car repairs, and depending could be the driver or passengers lives).
on a side note, if the animal is large enough, you can call the ministry and ask if you can take the animal for meat. brother in la last year got a big buck some older woman hit, just put his tag on it and put it in the back of his truck after helping the woman with her flat tire.
You are making a retarded argument. Believe me there are way better things I'd rather spend the 1500 bucks on then the damage the deer did to my truck. I was driving at the posted speed limit, it was dark and this animal did a kamikazee into my truck. There was no way to avoid it. I didnt even have time to swerve. THis deer came out of some long grass at the side of the road and was still running when my truck took it out.
Poachers
The thing with poachers is that they are not handed stiff enough fines and penalties. There are so many still because they do not fear the little punishment they receive. $1500.00 fines are a joke, the radios, trucks and rifles they are using far surpasses this amount. Suspending their hunting priviledges for a year or two ??? They don't care about hunting privledges anyway.
In my opinion, let's hold them to the letter of the law, which all of us law abiding folk must follow.
Since poaching is a criminal offence with a weapon, let's treat it as such. They should automatically lose their PAL license. They should automatically lose ALL their firearms. Note: An inspection of residence to be done. Jail time to follow as well. Forfeit of vehicles used in the offence to the Crown (permenantly).
Heavy handed some might think? Your either with us, or your against us.
Arch
The thing with poachers is that they are not handed stiff enough fines and penalties. There are so many still because they do not fear the little punishment they receive. $1500.00 fines are a joke, the radios, trucks and rifles they are using far surpasses this amount. Suspending their hunting priviledges for a year or two ??? They don't care about hunting privledges anyway.
In my opinion, let's hold them to the letter of the law, which all of us law abiding folk must follow.
Since poaching is a criminal offence with a weapon, let's treat it as such. They should automatically lose their PAL license. They should automatically lose ALL their firearms. Note: An inspection of residence to be done. Jail time to follow as well. Forfeit of vehicles used in the offence to the Crown (permenantly).
Heavy handed some might think? Your either with us, or your against us.
Arch
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Not a bad start buddy. I was thinking along those lines. What do you think of this work in progress?
Lose PAL...check
Lose all firearms...check
Lose the vehicle they were using and donate it to me...check
Fine them $20k and put this into the useful wildlife breeding schemes...check
Drag them along on a chain behind a 4 wheeler across every logging road in the WMU they offended in...disguised as a moose calf so as all of the guys who really feel the need to fire their weapons have a moving target to practice on...check
Sound OK to you?
Lose PAL...check
Lose all firearms...check
Lose the vehicle they were using and donate it to me...check
Fine them $20k and put this into the useful wildlife breeding schemes...check
Drag them along on a chain behind a 4 wheeler across every logging road in the WMU they offended in...disguised as a moose calf so as all of the guys who really feel the need to fire their weapons have a moving target to practice on...check
Sound OK to you?
Sounds good, not together with the chain dragging scheme. We need them to stay alive to suffer the humiliation of being exposed publicly. In my opinion, poachers are also pure cowards as well.
The government should have a listing on the web of convicted poachers (name and picture) for all to see. Poaching is an offence against the Crown, which is in turn an offence against all Canadians.
Please, everyone contact your MP, MLA etc to press for severe penalties for poaching. Even Liberals, NDP and Green parties would get behind this one.
Arch
The government should have a listing on the web of convicted poachers (name and picture) for all to see. Poaching is an offence against the Crown, which is in turn an offence against all Canadians.
Arch
I know the Ont. MNR has an online list of convictions for wildlife violations. And NO I don't know how to do the "linky thing". Convictions seem to be VERY low in #.
I know the Ont. MNR has an online list of convictions for wildlife violations. And NO I don't know how to do the "linky thing". Convictions seem to be VERY low in #.
yeah, and a lot of those convictions are just a slap on the wrist..
for poaching a moose..
loose your privlidgfes for a year, and pay a 5k fine.. thats nothing..
