POI Shift Between Ammo Types?

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yes for the tenth time i realize different ammo will have a different poi. Again, the issue is that the shift is huge.

Off the top of my head, the aquila “spec ops” from canam and mini mags had a huge difference in poi. I experienced a large shift across a bunch of different types. This shift will happen every time you switch ammo.

For the last time, the poi shift im seeing is much more than expected

question is why?

For the last time! You're the only one who sees this as excessive. No one else with experience sees this as out of the ordinary.
 
Research Coleman’s other recent posts.

Like this one, which suggests the common denominator between multiple barrels, "Not performing as expected" is actually the shooter?
That has a Proof CFW barrel right? I had 2 of those on a custom rifle. Both shot like crap. The first barrel was a 2 moa, the second was a 1 moa barrel. They both liked hot loads but neither could put a 5 round group together. I fired lots of tight 3 rounds but 5 just wouldn’t happen. You might be chasing a rainbow
 
For the last time! You're the only one who sees this as excessive. No one else with experience sees this as out of the ordinary.

The OP figures guys are ignoring or refusing to answer his questions. He is being given the answers he actually needs. If he wants to rebarrel his gun or bed his stock he doesn't need us to guide him on that. Nobody with experience is going to recommend either because the issue being discussed is not a problem despite being outside of his expectations.
 
All I was asking is which part of this rifle would be responsible for the large shift in POI. I don’t care if you think it’s normal or not, I’m not new to this. The rifle has a larger shift than I’m happy with and thats all you need to know.
Ammo is clearly not the issue, if you think that you don’t understand the question. Obviously if I stick to one type of ammo I wouldn’t have that issue, again thats not what I asked.

Thanks again to the couple folks that gave meaningful answers.
 
All I was asking is which part of this rifle would be responsible for the large shift in POI. I don’t care if you think it’s normal or not, I’m not new to this. The rifle has a larger shift than I’m happy with and thats all you need to know.
Ammo is clearly not the issue, if you think that you don’t understand the question. Obviously if I stick to one type of ammo I wouldn’t have that issue, again thats not what I asked.

Thanks again to the couple folks that gave meaningful answers.

The ammo is the part of the rifle that causes the poi shift. use the same ammo over and over there will be no poi shift.....
 
The rifle has a larger shift than I’m happy with and thats all you need to know.
Reality doesn't care.

Ammo is clearly not the issue.
False.

I’m not new to this.
The lie detector has determined that was a lie.

All I was asking is which part of this rifle would be responsible for the large shift in POI. I don’t care if you think it’s normal or not, I’m not new to this. The rifle has a larger shift than I’m happy with and thats all you need to know.
Ammo is clearly not the issue, if you think that you don’t understand the question. Obviously if I stick to one type of ammo I wouldn’t have that issue, again thats not what I asked.

Thanks again to the couple folks that gave meaningful answers.
No part of the rifle.
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If your ammo is "similar velocity" AND Similar Quality $? Then #1 is loose scope, #2 is faulty scope, #3 is Stable Platform?, #4 is Trigger Nut.
Other possibilities may arise, too.

I guess I should have emphasized that point more, back on post 21. I've seen a couple others have suggested this. Lotsa answers to 'solve' an opinion.
 
I wouldn't be happy with a 22 rimfire that had such a dramatic shift in poi (6 moa), if it involved commonly used ammo. 3" at 50 yards is a lot more than I see in my 22's. Lots of times out gopher shooting I open a box of 500 bulk and we burn through it, and then someone else opens their box or container of bulk and we have at it. It shouldn't shift so much that you'd miss a gopher at 50 yards. In my opinion, that's a fussy gun.
 
I wouldn't be happy with a 22 rimfire that had such a dramatic shift in poi (6 moa), if it involved commonly used ammo. 3" at 50 yards is a lot more than I see in my 22's. Lots of times out gopher shooting I open a box of 500 bulk and we burn through it, and then someone else opens their box or container of bulk and we have at it. It shouldn't shift so much that you'd miss a gopher at 50 yards. In my opinion, that's a fussy gun.

yeah but he is talking about the most extreme spread he can find.

If one type shoots 1.5" inches to the left of POI and another type shoots 1.5" to the right of POI you have a 3" spread but in reality both types of ammo are only 1.5" off the POI
 
yeah but he is talking about the most extreme spread he can find.

If one type shoots 1.5" inches to the left of POI and another type shoots 1.5" to the right of POI you have a 3" spread but in reality both types of ammo are only 1.5" off the POI

I’m not talking about the most extreme spread I can find. If 1.5” was the norm, I wouldn’t be worrying.
 
I wouldn't be happy with a 22 rimfire that had such a dramatic shift in poi (6 moa), if it involved commonly used ammo. 3" at 50 yards is a lot more than I see in my 22's. Lots of times out gopher shooting I open a box of 500 bulk and we burn through it, and then someone else opens their box or container of bulk and we have at it. It shouldn't shift so much that you'd miss a gopher at 50 yards. In my opinion, that's a fussy gun.

This 100% is what I am talking about.
 
All I was asking is which part of this rifle would be responsible for the large shift in POI. I don’t care if you think it’s normal or not, I’m not new to this. The rifle has a larger shift than I’m happy with and thats all you need to know.
Ammo is clearly not the issue, if you think that you don’t understand the question. Obviously if I stick to one type of ammo I wouldn’t have that issue, again thats not what I asked.

Thanks again to the couple folks that gave meaningful answers.

Late to this but..imo
So then its obvious, you want a different barrel as the barrel is responsible for the POI of a tight group
If you had a pattern instead of a group, there might be issues with stock, bedding, crown, boltface, chamber dim., etc etc
you could grab anoth identical CZ and not have the same shift, something different, but if the groups are good then the barrel is doing what it is supposed to do.
You're not happy, changing the barrel is the best place to make a change
 
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If one type shoots 1.5" inches to the left of POI and another type shoots 1.5" to the right of POI you have a 3" spread but in reality both types of ammo are only 1.5" off the POI

No, they are 1.5 off the point of aim
the poi is clearly 3"
 
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