Polar bear defense shotgun

Oops didn't see your post about her idiot employer requiring buckshot.

Buckshot and grizzly or polar bear = BAD IDEA/NEW GIRLFRIEND

Tell her to buy a 20" Remington 870 Marine/Police and a case of Brenneke 2.75" rifled slugs.

+1 on idiot employees.

why not go for something that has worked for years? A nice old Enfield. If it's good enough for CF Rangers, it's good enough for whatever she's doing, no? Must be a reason they are still using them up there and not some fancy shmancy stuff.
 
Buckshot is good for shooting people, not thousand-pound carnivorous killing machines. Pump with slugs. Mossy or Rem, short barrel with sights and either cylinder choke with rifled slugs or rifled choke/barrel with sabots. At "holy ####" ranges you just need to put big holes in things. Slugs will. Buckshot will just make a mess on the surface.
 
Buckshot is good for shooting people, not thousand-pound carnivorous killing machines.

Timmy says: Actually, bears are our omnivorous friends :runaway:

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the german army got a lesson on firearm lubrication from the russians in world war 2.in winter conditions oil and extreme cold are a bad combination.i would be asking and taking advice from people who live and work in that environment .what works for me in southern ontario could be a disaster in the far north.
 
i agree forget the shootgun and get an old sporster 303 enfield. you will be able to get ammo and parts easily and it will get the job done against nanuk everytime
 
+1 on idiot employees.

why not go for something that has worked for years? A nice old Enfield. If it's good enough for CF Rangers, it's good enough for whatever she's doing, no? Must be a reason they are still using them up there and not some fancy shmancy stuff.
:agree: X10!!
IMHO buckshot will make neet little holes and not really cause much damage, when a bear attacks, you want to disable it immediatly, thus buckshot NOT doing the job. A slug will not make a "neat little hole", it will loosen up bone muscle and ligaments RIGHT NOW!! And IMO this is what you need.
Of course a rifle would be best with good penetration, but if its for work reason, im sure that there is a "company policy" that someone made up somewhere that says, "with buckshot all you have to do is point it in the general direction, you cant miss", EPIC FAIL!!!!!!! You can miss with buckshot, rather easy.
I seen an m14 freeze up at the range and missfire, nicely oiled up, even in southern alberta winters.
X@ on having it dry as a bone with dry graphite as lube, and i really cant thing of an action any better than a lee enfield. They worked good in the trenches in, they will work good for bear defense.
BTW there are some guys here that live up in the arctic, if you want dedicated first hand info on what to have for bear defense, those are the guys to talk to. Not to mention the guys that have been in that situation while working there.
Whatever she buys, shoot it, LOTS, and take LOTSA ammo for practice sessions. In this situation, a gun is not jsut a hobby, its a matter of life or death, treat it like such.
But i hope she never needs to use it, :)
 
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Why not a good quality SXS or O/U 12 ga. Two quick shots and quick to reload, no need to worry about the action, etc. Just a thought.
 
Maybe fifteen years ago, a fellow visiting a military survey camp in the arctic had to shoot a charging polar bear. He fired two shots through the camp as the intended lunch ran like heck. The second shot connected.

A shotgun might be good for shooting the bear that is attacking the shooter, but generations of Inuit would recommend three oh three British. Shotguns are for flying geese.
 
Rifle is best, shotgun is ok but mix the shells 000 and slug, do not rely on 000 buck alone. Good luck and carry an Inuit hunter for bear protection please.
 
Guys, we all know some of us would prefer a rifle, BUT, this is a work gun & they've said shotgun... So, let me wade in on the shotgun... My work has 12 gauge Remington Marine Magnums. First round is to be a deterrant round, the rest are slugs. Our rule is 20 meters & approaching, SHOOT THE BEAR. You don't have enough time, for a well placed shot, should the bear quickly close that distance...

We are allowed to carry our own personal firearms when playing the role of "bear monitor"... So, some of the aboriginals in that role, use a variety of firearms, a real mix to be quite honest.

As my personal firearm for bears, I have a Dominion Arms Grizzly, 12 gauge, 12.5 inch barrel (no choke tube, mine's one of the first guns CanadaAmmo brought in), simple bead as a sight. Stuffed with 1 oz slugs, of the 2 &3/4 inch variety... Why 2 & 3/4??? Because when the SHTF, the last thing you need is a jam... Why is this gun my choice? I "know" the pump shotgun, I've hunted most of my life with one. I can instinctively point and shoot it very very quickly. It is the gun that will be with me on Baffin Island this summer, I trust my skills with it & I trust the rugged design.

Now, I can't stress this enough, WHATEVER your choice, you must practise with it, NO EXCEPTIONS!!! If your the designated "guy with the gun", the lives of your co-workers & your own, are YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. If your not willing to, without hesitation, put a bear down, then don't accept the responsibility...

Cheers
Jay
P.S. The semi Baikal is a good gun, I have one, BUT NOT THE GUN FOR THIS ROLE!!!
P.P.S. CanadaAmmo still has the Grizzly, it's a good deal at 299... I personally think the Grizzly Mag looks "cool", but again, I defer to my experience & would suggest a "plain jane" version. As they say, KISS...
 
Don't get an 870 express super magnum (3.5 inch capable) get the express magnum (3 inch) instead. The super mag can jam with cheap shells.
 
Years ago when I was in the Arctic, we had a 12ga. pump for bear defence...dont recall now what make or barrel length. However, if your going to be there in the winter use 2380 turbine oil as a lubricant. Any other lubricant would turn so thick in that cold that it was almost impossible to pump the gun! We had plenty of the 2380 from the aircraft engines and it worked like a charm on a pump gun as well.
 
Don't get an 870 express super magnum (3.5 inch capable) get the express magnum (3 inch) instead. The super mag can jam with cheap shells.

I do agree with your opinion, but I hope for the love of god, they aren't using cheapo bulk trap loads, which are the only thing that have ever jammed in my supermag. Slugs are flawless, the only issues were the bulk shells that have the low brass bases (which aren't actually even brass, they are aluminum, I believe).
 
Semis and arctic cold can present a problem. Go for a pump.

:agree:I lent my 870 Wingmaster with an 18 inch smooth barrel to a young friend of mine who traveled to both the north and south poles. He said he was quite pleased with it's effectiveness and it brought a great deal of comfort to the others on the trip. (Any feelings they had about hurting Arctic wildlife disappeared the first time one came into camp.) Functioned well under all conditions. I agree with drvrage, a semi in the arctic is not a good idea.
 
A Tomahawk P2100 or P2800 is very cheap (under 340 I think at Marstar) can you can load about 6-7 3" shells in there. Reliability seems not to be a problem as I've heard of no complaints from it... it will properly shoot anything you feed it.

One 00 buckshot (3" preferably) and the rest all 2 3/4 slugs, rifled if your barrel is smoothbore.
 
I havnt seen anyone comment on it yet, so sorry if someone has but.....

a Synthetic stock in the arctic sounds like bad news. -40 degrees and plastic dont go well together, no matter who makes it, or what their claims are. Wood stocks on the other hand dont have the "smash into a billion pieces" problem when its that cold
 
Friend of mine's uncle passed an 870 marine magnum on to her after doing arctic research/kayaking. No one told him it needed to be lubed when not in use, but other than that it was fine.

Express mag smoothbore 870 pump action!!

P.S. my hiking gun in grizzly areas is an 870 express mag. IMHO, I'd go with smoothbore, otherwise you're stuck with just slugs, which means no grouse, ptarmigan, or plinking with it at all unless you want to waste major $$$.
 
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