"Police" models overhyped?

I find the "Police" models tend to have better fit and finish and usually include a little extra than you would get on a varmint gun ie, double sling studs on the front, high end stock etc.

My LTR shoots great!!! I love it. It will shoot under 1 moa all day long. That is good enough for me. It didn't cost a fortune either. Would something cheaper have done the same job? Maybe. But if it hadn't I would have had to spend that much again to upgrade it to what I have now.
 
I am not willing to concede to it being all hype. Over the stock SPS you are getting a much better stock (I really like the Hogue), a heavy dished (hopefully) precision barrel, and a better trigger. Swapping this stuff out of the lower SPS's would cost more than the difference in retail between the two. Plus there's the neato black out finish and the word "TACTICAL" on the barrel to impress the ladies and the police... oops, that would be hype. But what fun would it be if no one ever showed off just a little.

I'll post as soon as I find out how my new and unfired (sad) Remington SPS Tactical groups...
 
I say it's worth the extra money :cool:

I got 10fp LE - that's accuracy, and all the goodies

I got 26" heavy barrel, accutriger, matte finish, fully floated barrel and tupper-ware stock :D, now tell me how you can beat that?

that's right you can't :evil:, but I can beat you with my tupper-ware stock :rockOn:

oh and btw. my car has "R" in it too :wave: "R" racing, wroom wrooooom
 
dinsdale said:
It's a Remington 700 "Light Tactical Rifle"
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Police and Tactical models "usually" have higher quality control. The Varmint and Hunting rifles are made with the idea that if it fails... you miss an animal. If a Police or Tactical rifle fails, people die. "Most" companies understand this and tune their Police line of firearms accordingly.

Accuracy isn't really a big difference between the two... think action reliability, and performance under extreme conditions (as said above).
 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Same action... more "effort" put into the 700P's (ie. hand fitted vs. mechanical assembly line).

The 40X and M24 have essentially the same action as a 700 SPS but the craftmanship far surpasses that of the SPS.
 
40x (and it's spin offs) use select grade actions and barrels, all stii remington made. I have neither seen or heard any evidence that this indeed a fact with Police or Tactical models. Doesn't mean it isn't possible, but basically, aside from the stock, I believe the rest is simply marketing (remember, police departments and government agencies are markets too). - dan
 
I'm on my third 700P in .223 caliber in two months. They all have crappy bolt faces, the firing pin doesn't fit worth a damn. The latest one is the best, I may just keep it and live with the problem for now, it shoots pretty well.

They do have a nice stock (H&S I think) once you get used to the palm swell, free floated & extra swivel for the bipod. I don't see any special stuff done for fit & finish, the trigger came set to 5 pounds.

Eric
 
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Boomer said:
Let's put it another way - When a scoped rifle is called upon in real world police tactical situations , the marksman might be required to shoot at a relatively small target under great stress. This one shot will probably involve the life of the bad guy and the lives of hostages. There are no sighters, that one shot must be perfect. Typically the range will be short, and once cleared to shoot, the rifleman may have to make the shot very quickly, while being conscious of what lies behind his target. Perhaps the shot will be made at a partially obscured moving target, perhaps in poor weather, or perhaps in the dark.

Now, what value should be placed on that rifle? If I was going to write the spec for a rifle to be used in police tactical situations, you can bet it would cost a lot more than a T3.
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Well said.
 
How is this described tactical situation different from a hunter with a prized animal popping up in the 'thick stuff' ? Just a few seconds to shift one through the trees for a killing shot....

If either rifle has dead on cold barrel POI consistency with acceptable accuracy for any follow up shots, does it matter if it costs $350 or $3500?

There is no doubt that any user with intent to take game/bad guys needs the 'best' equipment but how much/what does he really need and what is the true cost for that performance?

I think too many shooters equate performance with price. Not true at all. There are components where money spent yield strong dividends. In other places, more feel good then go....

Jerry
 
I'd rather have a $1600 rifle and $2400 worth of ammo than a $3800 rifle and $200 worth of ammo.....

Once you get past a certain investment level, noticeable returns on performance decrease. I find the better investments are made at the gunsmith for bedding and for trigger work. Of course practice makes perfect.
 
How is this described tactical situation different from a hunter with a prized animal popping up in the 'thick stuff' ?
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Because if the hunter misses the target, the consequence isn't even relevant compared to the tactical situation.

-Rohann
 
From the perspective of the shooter, not necessarily true. Of course, there is no denying the difference between game and human.

Some find it easier to dust a bad guy then bambi.

But at that moment, both shooters are trying to engage their target and both want success.

I have seen many hunters prep for their season in ways that make me shudder. Odds are a milk jug at 75yds would be safe from injury with these guys. Not the user I am refering to.

I am refering to the many hunters and target shooters who have the prep to ensure that first shot is on everytime. Some spend a ton of money, others don't - end result is the same.

Within the requirements/distances of LE engagements as I understand them, up to 2 MOA at 100yds cold barrel is all that is required. For those in the 'business', please do correct me if I am wrong. Only going by info 'told' to me - no firsthand experience. A rifle will obviously shoot much closer to POA at closer ranges.

I think there are many members who can make that shot on paper/game everytime with their hunting rigs regardless of price. Quite a number will give a beer cap a very hard time at 100yds. A few at twice that distance.

Mechanically, rifles have become extremely accurate given todays ammo tech. From a functional standpoint, they are very reliable both in feeding and firing. They have done so and still kept costs way down.

Is a tuned off the rack hunting rifle the choice that a pro should make? Likely not as there is the issue of public liability.

But would such a rifle do the job? I know mine would...

Jerry

PS I have yet to see anything from a major manf that indicates special care and attention is paid to the LE models. Besides restocking and a few add ons, the barrel and action are production line pieces. Also, not seen any increase in mechanical accuracy or reliability between varmint/hunting and LE models from the same corporation.

Ultimately, go with the rig that gives you the confidence to make the shot.
 
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