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- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
They have a safety built into the trigger. DUH
Police sidearm question.
- Thread starter rocklin
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They have a safety built into the trigger. DUH
Edward Teach
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- who cares?
Please show me a S&W 5946 with a safety built into the trigger.
All of mine here at work do not have this feature. Does that mean they're defective and should be returned to S&W?
- Location
- Scarborough, ON
Semis have substantially higher mag capacity (15+ for most full size service pistols) and faster reloads with no drawbacks. And if someone can't reload a semi under stress, then they sure as hell can't reload a wheelgun.
- Location
- Cornerbrook, NL
Yeah, the safety issue was a real problem. An officer in Peel region (ontario) Tremaine Samuels caught the hammer getting in or out of a cruiser and subsequently shot himself in the thigh.
My opinion does hold some value, as does everybody else's on this forum, but I'm sure we all appreciate your judgement. To use your terms, I could be called a "serious user that trains and practices" and maybe a hypothetical scenario will clarify the point I was trying to make;
Take two pistols, one DA/SA with a 11.5lb DA and 4.5lb SA trigger respectively and another with a consistent 4.5lb trigger. I would be very surprised to find a shooter who achieves more accurate and faster shot times or split times from a decocked condition with the DA/SA variant.
If there was ever positive proof pointing to why we should not allow politicians to run this country then this would be it.
A move to a change should have come from the police, through their union if need be, as a move towards providing them with the tools they need. If the Police union had made it a condition then the move would still have occurred without the need for a "law". Especially one that deemed the old revolvers as "unsafe".
Sorry but I just fell off my chair.
I should add I tossed a 4 litre milk jug filled with water in the air and a good friend who is a member of the force in Pr. George hit the jug six times before it hiit the ground. Not bad for a gun with a long heavy trigger pull. He also won our top Defensive Pistol trophy two years in a row. His service pistol seemed to work ok kicking our butts.
Merry Christmas
Take Care
Bob
Sorry but I just fell off my chair.
I should add I tossed a 4 litre milk jug filled with water in the air and a good friend who is a member of the force in Pr. George hit the jug six times before it hiit the ground. Not bad for a gun with a long heavy trigger pull. He also won our top Defensive Pistol trophy two years in a row. His service pistol seemed to work ok kicking our butts.
Merry Christmas
Take Care
Bob
The guns can work very well with a good user.
This type of thing cannot happen with any pistol designed in the last 100 or so years, Smith, Colt and Ruger revolvers are fitted with devices that are designed solely to stop this kind of thing, even the 1911 (which the officer was most assuredly NOT carrying) would only fall to half #### in this situation. None of the newer semis would be susceptible to this either. I don't know what the constable was doing, but he definitely did not snag the hammer, unless the firearm in question was defective. As far as the unsafe label goes, just another example of politicians controlling the tools that the professionals get to use, simply because they can. Maybe they thought it would cause some older officers to retire (thereby lowering the payroll) - this legislation was passed when departments had more applicants than they knew what to do with - there were lots of artificial blocks being used to disqualify candidates, and 'encourage' early retirement.
The 1911 won't fire unless the grip safety is also depressed. In addition most new 1911's also come with a firing pin block.
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Bob
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- your wife knows...
The Police Service Act of Ontario was changed following a Labour Board running that the revolver was unsafe and ordering the province to change the act.
I don't recall the two cases that were brought before the Labour Board but I believe one was an officer in Sudbury who ran out of .38 in a gunfight.
The province had to comply with the Labour Board but allowed several years for the police forces to comply. The act allowed each force to determine it's own sidearm so long as it was 9mm or .40 and DAO or equalivent (ie Glock safe action). At first round nose ammunition was all that was allowed
eek and had to be under 1000 fps. Hollow point (controlled expansion) ammuntion was allowed a couple of years later.The unions backed the officers who filed the complaints with the Labour board, and the board did not find that the revolver was "unsafe" but that the limited capacity and slow reloading created an "unsafe condition" for the police (paraphrasing).
is this a new method in police training, or is it just for the safety video ?....
Nope but it sure was fun. Try it sometime. Takes skill and we weren't doing police training and I am certainly no a policeman. Just a group of guys having fun with our guns. Goes to folks who don't understand it is the archer not the arrow.
When you have a mountain for a backstop you have options.
Take Care
Bob
