Polish K98 Short rifle stock cartouche
- Thread starter A&Shuntr
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We need somebody on this board named Wilniewczcs or Skrzypinski or Januszcsewski or something.
Try the folks at the Muzeum Wojska Polskiego in Warszawa. It is rated 5-1/2 out of 6 possible Stars as a Military Museum. They WILL have someone who knows.
You can get to them at muzeumwp@muzeumwp.pl. Easy, huh?
Com to think of it, I have a few questions for them myself.....
Try the folks at the Muzeum Wojska Polskiego in Warszawa. It is rated 5-1/2 out of 6 possible Stars as a Military Museum. They WILL have someone who knows.
You can get to them at muzeumwp@muzeumwp.pl. Easy, huh?
Com to think of it, I have a few questions for them myself.....
No, this is the cavalry model (hence short rifle) as you can tell by the placement of the sling swivels which had the bend bolt to make it easier in and out of the mounted scabbard while on horse back. The stamps edges and finish suggest production made.
- Location
- Leduc County, Alberta
There is a lot of contention on what the "VVV" means.... They are mostly found on rifles used in the Spanish Civil War (I assume your K29 has had it's crest "sanitized"?), and to this day, no one really knows what they mean...
This picture comes from Hoffman & Schott's book, "Military Rifle Marks", but the "VVV" and other marks descriptions are absolutely dead wrong, so you can count out their "translation" of "VVV"...
We may never know...
Perhaps contact some of the more knowledgeable guys over at the Mauser Forum on Gunboards?
PS: They also got the meaning of "AOI" incorrect...
This picture comes from Hoffman & Schott's book, "Military Rifle Marks", but the "VVV" and other marks descriptions are absolutely dead wrong, so you can count out their "translation" of "VVV"...
We may never know...
Perhaps contact some of the more knowledgeable guys over at the Mauser Forum on Gunboards?
PS: They also got the meaning of "AOI" incorrect...
Say Desert Fox,
Your pic isn't showing, at least not for me. As for the OP's gun being 'sanatized' he identified it in his first post as a 1929 Warsawa K98 so I'm assuming it has at least that much left of its crest and possibly would rule out SCW (unless this is an exception to the rule).
All Polish SCW rifles I have seen are only Polish identifiable by the build and a small circled Z somewhere. They may or may not have Spanish stamps depending upon refurbishment.
The OP might want to look for other SCW marks such as a MP8 flaming bomb cartouche, etc just to be sure. See here: http://scwmosin.weebly.com/index.html
Gunboards is a good place to start as well as the Polish forums on War Relics. I'm guessing that triple V stamp might be a post war stamp applied by someone after refurbishment by the way it stands out on the stock. But who knows... Has the VVV stamp be seen on other Spanish rifles?
Your pic isn't showing, at least not for me. As for the OP's gun being 'sanatized' he identified it in his first post as a 1929 Warsawa K98 so I'm assuming it has at least that much left of its crest and possibly would rule out SCW (unless this is an exception to the rule).
All Polish SCW rifles I have seen are only Polish identifiable by the build and a small circled Z somewhere. They may or may not have Spanish stamps depending upon refurbishment.
The OP might want to look for other SCW marks such as a MP8 flaming bomb cartouche, etc just to be sure. See here: http://scwmosin.weebly.com/index.html
There is a lot of contention on what the "VVV" means.... They are mostly found on rifles used in the Spanish Civil War (I assume your K29 has had it's crest "sanitized"?), and to this day, no one really knows what they mean...
This picture comes from Hoffman & Schott's book, "Military Rifle Marks", but the "VVV" and other marks descriptions are absolutely dead wrong, so you can count out their "translation" of "VVV"...
We may never know...
Perhaps contact some of the more knowledgeable guys over at the Mauser Forum on Gunboards?
PS: They also got the meaning of "AOI" incorrect...
Gunboards is a good place to start as well as the Polish forums on War Relics. I'm guessing that triple V stamp might be a post war stamp applied by someone after refurbishment by the way it stands out on the stock. But who knows... Has the VVV stamp be seen on other Spanish rifles?
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I have found a few other people on Gunboard with the same rifle and same markings. No one knows definitely what it refers to as of yet, but all believe these to be original and non-reworked or contracted out rifles to third parties. Even though my father was Polish I cannot speak the language. I have a Polish friend working some connections in Poland to see if there are any leads. He has found the previous consecutive serial numbered rifle to mine! Working on getting that one too, a matched pair!
Poland exported many rifles and machin guns to Spain during Civil war there. The proper Polish name of this model is
Kbk syst. Mauser wz K98 PWU z raczka prostom the last two words mean with a stright bolt handle.
According to my Polish Firearm book production of this model started in April 1924 in Warsaw and in 1927 in Radom
Kbk syst. Mauser wz K98 PWU z raczka prostom the last two words mean with a stright bolt handle.
According to my Polish Firearm book production of this model started in April 1924 in Warsaw and in 1927 in Radom
