Polish mauser or K98az

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Hello guys !!

My friend sold me his father old rifle he told me that he brought it when he immigrated from germany I have made some research on it but I have some conflicting result about it.

So all info you guys can give me will be welcome to clear all the mystery about this rifle like the straight bolt ?????it look like it was made to be like that from the beginning ?????

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it seems to be a vz 33 its a shorter version of the vz 24 but its in a k98 stock. Im asuming that its a vz 33 since it has a shorter barrel,straight bolt, the same type of front sight ears as a vz 24 and has sights that start at 300m just like the vz 24 and it seems to be a small ring action and if you read the link below the vz 33 had a small ring actions.But then again it might not be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vz._33
Either way its a very interesting rifle.

It might also be a k98A, I didn't read the title that well lol
 
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It seems to be a Frankenstein of a gun. The outward appearances are of a Model 98a from WWI. The left receiver wall is stamped K98 instead of KAR98 as it should be, and the top of it is heavily rounded from polishing. The bolt is a mismatch. The originals had turned down handles with the underside of the knob flat and heavily checkered. The markings have all been removed from the top of the receiver ring, The wood, bottom metal and other furniture seem correct for the 98a, but most of the numbers mismatch. If you remove the barreled action from the stock, the barrel should not be stepped like a typical Mauser 98. It will be tapered, if it's correct, almost like a sporter, and will be quite thin. These were popular rifles to sporterize after the war because of that, and the small ring action made them quite light.

I suspect this is a mauser of other origin that's had the receiver ring turned down to small ring dimensions, and put into 98a wood and furniture. It would be worth your while to get a chamber cast done since the 8x57 was banished from civilian hands by the treaty of versaille, and a lot of old mausers were rechambered to 8x60.
 
Polish KbK Wz. 1898, receiver scrubbed to export to Spain during the SCW period. "K98" marking is typical. Circle z proof on the bolt is Polish.
I've seen many configurations of German and Polish parts employed in export KbK 98s. In this case the carbine has a standard German Kar98az stock (KbK had no sling slot but a sling bar, swivel on the stock bottom as well as a swivel on the bottom of the front band and a different stacking hook) and fittings but KbK 1898 action. The straight bolt is correct for late production KbK 98s (although perhaps not for this particular one as it's a mismatch).

Poland was trying to standardise on the Wz 29 and raised much need cash by selling obsolete Mauser 98s like this one to active war zones like Spain.
 
Just finished looking at your pics and I agree with eos, though I suspect the mismatched parts are from a Spanish rebuild and not put together by the Poles (though its possible). My take is a scrubbed Polish wz.29e bolt (with the circle z stamp) in a scrubbed Polish Kbk wz.98 receiver from Polish exports to Republican Spain. All Polish Kbk wz.98 bolts that I have seen have a bent bolt handle with the knurled half ball.

With curved, German not squared, Polish stacking rod; Imperial German bayonet lug; matching stock, butt plate, front cap, and stock bands. The magazine floor plate is from a different gun altogether though.

I believe this to be a post SCW Spanish rebuild. It may have been put together prior to export by the Poles but its missing the typical Polish stock upgrades (left side sling cut out with bar, rear sling swivel underneath the butt stock, plugged sling groove at the wrist) which makes me think Spanish rebuild using a Polish receiver and bolt with Imperial German stock and hardware. A lot of stocks were mangled during the SCW.

Check for typical SCW cartouches: MP8, Flaming Bomb, etc.
 
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Wow !!! thank you all for your times and your precious informations.

To reply to 9.3 Mauser the chamber of the rifle is 7.92 when they buffout the arsenal and the date they left just enought engraving on the top of the receiver to see the 7.92 chamber.

To you Fugawi the only markings on the stock is the letter ( B ) I saw on the net a few rifle with that letter and I wounder wat it is ?????

Again thank's to you all at last now I know what I have in my hand, and the guy from the GRC was right about the kind of rifle I have when I call to register it.

Yeah !! I know I live in a strange country I still have to register my rifle to own it HA-HA-HA !!!!!!!
 
The receiver us definitely Polish, as the side rail is marked K98 - German ones were marked Kar.98. Stock and bands are definitely German. The trigger guard is likely Polish. The metal appears to be refinished. As for the bolt, it is likely Polish as well. I have never seen a matching SCW Polish K98, or even matching except bolt, so don't fret about that. It is unclear if these were delivered mismatched or if the Spaniards mixed and matched. What is interesting is the stock doesn't have the typical German proof marks, and doesn't appear to have been sanded.

Still a nice rifle and these seem scarce in Canada. Outside of mine, its the 2nd SCW Polish K98 I've seen. Unfortunately that doesn't make them valuable :/
 
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The receiver us definitely Polish, as the side rail is marked K98 - German ones were marked Kar.98. Stock and bands are definitely German. The trigger guard is likely Polish. The metal appears to be refinished. As for the bolt, it is likely Polish as well. I have never seen a matching SCW Polish K98, or even matching except bolt, so don't fret about that. It is unclear if these were delivered mismatched or if the Spaniards mixed and matched. What is interesting is the stock doesn't have the typical German proof marks, and doesn't appear to have been sanded.

Still a nice rifle and these seem scarce in Canada. Outside of mine, its the 2nd SCW Polish K98 I've seen. Unfortunately that doesn't make them valuable :/
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Thank you for the nice info, I brought it to the gunsmith this saturday to see if it will be safe to shoot and sadly he told me that rifle has a dark bore and the head space is about 97% good. I Think is normal for a rifle that old and where it come from I supposed a long time ago on that continent corrosive ammo was the norm.
 
Jackpar said:
Wow !!! thank you all for your times and your precious informations.

To reply to 9.3 Mauser the chamber of the rifle is 7.92 when they buffout the arsenal and the date they left just enought engraving on the top of the receiver to see the 7.92 chamber.

To you Fugawi the only markings on the stock is the letter ( B ) I saw on the net a few rifle with that letter and I wounder wat it is ?????

Again thank's to you all at last now I know what I have in my hand, and the guy from the GRC was right about the kind of rifle I have when I call to register it.

Yeah !! I know I live in a strange country I still have to register my rifle to own it HA-HA-HA !!!!!!!
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"B" stamp on this German stock indicates Beechwood. Post 1916 (also indicated by grasping grooves on the fore stock).
 
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