POLL : Chinese SKS Factory Codes

What Code is your Chinese SKS


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I'm a little curious about what factory codes have been seen in Canada .

I'm using the list at simonov.net as a reference . If you have a code that I didn't list could you please post it .

For those of you who are not sure what a factory code looks like , please consult this chart

http://www.simonov.net/codechart.htm

Thanks ,

Craig
 
Thought I would post a little info on the Jianshe Machine Tool Factory, AKA /26\ and the Type 56 Rifle.

The first national arms factory in China was located in Hanyang and produced the Type 88 copy of the Gew. 88. Around 1933, it was moved to Chongqing and remamed the #1 National Arms Factory. #1 factory produced a copy of the Mauser "Standard" model as the "Chiang Kai Shek" Mauser.

In 1949, the facory was again renamed Jinashe Machine Tool Factory (Factory 296) and began building the Type 50 copy of the PPSh. This was followed up by the Type 51 TT33 copy, the Type 53 Mosin M44 copy and finally, in 1956 with the Type 56 SKS copy.

Initially, machinery was moved from Tula to Chongqing in 1956 and with the help of Soviet technicians, SKS parts kits from Russia were assembled to produce the first carbines. Not long after, the first Chinese made carbines began production. Many of these early "Sino Soviet" models contain Russian made parts as well.

Factory 26 Type 56 chronology and design changes.
1) 1956 The Sino Soviet model
-Identical with late Tula production. Identified by the /26\ factory symbol and the 1 letter, 4 digit serial number. No "56 Type" markings.
An example serial would be "A0001" for the first carbine. I've seen as high has "W" series.

2) 1957 Type 56, early model. Identical with the late Tula carbines. 7 digit serial number and the marking, in Chinese, "56 Type".

As a rule, military Type 56 rifles are numbered according to the model type year. The Type 56 indicates a 1956 introduction. In 1957, million place serials were introduced. Taking the million place digit and adding the model year will indicate the year the carbine was made. for instance, the first T56 carbine of 1957 would have been numbered "1,000,001" and so forth. This would allow serialling of up to 999,999 carbines in any given year. The actual numbers made for each year are not known, however it was the aim of the PLA to arm a 6 million man army with the T56, the People's Militia of perhaps 10 million and also export models.

Some T56 carbines from /26\ have been documented with less than 7 digit numbers but outside of the Sino-Soviet number range. It's held that such carbines are of late 1956 production.

3) The 1957 model became the standard production type and remained unchanged until the end of 1965 production (9 million serial range). In 1966 with the 10 million serial range, the barrel knox form was shortened about 1/4 inch. Sometime between the end of the 10 miliion seres and the 11 million series, the first major design change took place. This was the introduction of the spike bayonet. Most likely this was done to increase the reach of the bayonet. As well, the cruciform section of the spike was more resistant to bending than the blade type.

4) In the 11 million series (1967) the next change was introduced. The trigger mechanism became a stamped, rather than milled, assembly and the oblong milling on the bolt carrier side was eliminated.
5) The final design changes are introduced. in 1968 with the 12 million series, the two piece stamped gas tube was introduced and the body cover latch was changed to put the tab on the bottom of the arm along with a cut out on the stock to facilitate operation of the latch.

These last design changes remained standard until the end of /26\ SKS production in 1970 with the 14 million serial range.

T56 rifles remained in production for People's Militia and later, People's Armed Police use. These are often seen with markings from the 2nd and 3rd wave factories spread throughout China. These factories probably produced T56 carbines until the mid to late 80s.

In 1970, /26\ was assigned production of the Type 63/68 rifle. By 1978 over 6 million had been produced but the T63/68 never lived up to it's promise as an accurate select fire rifle. As well, quality control was poor in the aftermath of the cultural revolution and breakages were common.
Type 63/58 production was suspended in 1978 and the rifles were withdrawn from service with many sold abroad (African rebel movements and Albania were large purchasers). Type 56 production was reinstated at Jianshe for 2 years until the new Type 81 production was up to speed.

In 1980, Jianshe Machine Tool Factory was converted for production of motorbikes with help from Yamaha. Vehicles are still the primary product made at Jianshe.

Type 56 rifle vs Type 56 SMG

China refers to the T56 AK as a "sub-machinegun". It's scale of issue in the PLA was usually limited to officers and infantry squad leaders. The Type 56 SKS was the primary infantry rifle.

Selection of the T56 rifle over the T56 AK was based on PLA battle doctrine.

PLA doctrine dictated a "people's war" requiring an entire nation under arms in time of war. This doctrine was primarily defensive with an emphasis on long range engagement of opfors using aimed fire. The SKS was ideally suited for this, being considerably more accurate than the AK and better suited for bayonet fighting (early on, the Type 56 AK stopped being equipped with a bayonet at all). Another consideration was ammunition logistics. Supplying enough ammunition for a 16 million man fighting force with select fire assault rifles was not practical.

The PLA attempted a stamped production SKS (from factory 0138) but it was not durable in use and was withdrawn after large scale field trials. From this research, 0138 went on to design and produce the the type 3 receiver (pinned barrel, milled, square front receiver) often seen on late 3rd wave factory carbines and the SKS-D

The Type 81 became the first general issue select fire arm of the PLA, reflecting the doctrine changes which have accompanied PLA restructuring over the last 20 years and which is still ongoing.
 
I have a triangle factory 606 and an unmarked one. From eos' information it would have been 1957 and MAY be from Jinashe Machine Tool Factory (Factory 296).

Cheers
 
Factory 606 is late production. Second wave manufacture did not begin until 1969 earliest when Jianshe went over to T63/68 production.

The PLA decided early on that small arms construction would be diversified to the heartlands for strategic reasons.

Many of the smaller factories were also used to build consumer goods at times (such as bicycles and buses) and lacked the facilities of the main weapons plants (such as /26\ and /66\) so modifications to the basic design of the T56 were required to suit.

The Type 2 receiver (milled, square front, pressed/pinned barrel) was commonly used by many of these smaller plants.

There were dozens of such plants throughout northwest China, each one producing it's own particular build of T56, while maintaining basic standardisation.

During the time of the Cultural Revolution, the Red Guards took over many factories to arm their own People's Militia units and these carbines often lack the "Type 56" marking or even a factory code.
 
I'm suprised with the amount of rare(er) codes . Odds say most should be factory 26 but out of 18 codes submited only 7 are .

I guess its too early to tell , but my gut instinct says Canada was shipped more of the odd'er ones .

Also the unmarked , Lever Arms ones kind of throw this poll out of wack a bit , who knows what code they started off with .

Interesting .

Thanks to all for posting and voting and a extra thank you to eos for the great historical info .

Keep voting and posting :D

Craig
 
Craig67 said:
I'm suprised with the amount of rare(er) codes . Odds say most should be factory 26 but out of 18 codes submited only 7 are .

I guess its too early to tell , but my gut instinct says Canada was shipped more of the odd'er ones .

Also the unmarked , Lever Arms ones kind of throw this poll out of wack a bit , who knows what code they started off with .

Interesting .

Thanks to all for posting and voting and a extra thank you to eos for the great historical info .

Keep voting and posting :D

Craig

Lever brought in almost exclusively /26\ carbines for a number of years. Given the present offerings from them, I'd say the vast pool of /26\ carbines has dried up. As a matter of note, Bell Distributing is still importing full military configuration T56s, but I've never seen a /26\ from them. The Bell carbines seem to be all late feature models as well.
 
Looks like the non- /26\ carbines reported here by factory number are of Bell distributing origin.

A good indicator is that the stocks will, for the most part, be serial numbered to the carbines. This is also standard practice for military T56s.

It should be noted that the stock serial number is often not reapplied during refurb, particularly those done for N. America

How to identify a military issue T56.

These rules are generally correct, but may not be adhered to in all examples for military export or those produced in the 2nd & 3rd wave factories during the cultural revolution.

1) Factory symbol on the left receiver wall. Those carbines built for export military contracts may not have a factory marking but will have typical 7/8 digit military style serial numbers.
2) The Chinese for "56 Type" (56 shi) also found on the left receiver wall.
Again, these markings may not be present on export arms but the military style serial number will be adequate to identify the carbine.
3) All serial markings stamped, not engraved. The individual carbine serial is the last 6 digits, counted from the right. the seventh and eighth digits so counted will be the year indicator. On partially or non refurbed examples, the individual carbine number is stamped on the left side of the stock, parallel to the butt plate.
4) Military inspector number stamps found on the receiver bottom, barrel, bolt carrier etc. These stamps are missing from strictly commercial "civilian" arms. Bear in mind that they are found on any parts "recycled" for commercial arms as well.

How to tell a refurb from an original carbine. These are a general guideline but will hold true in most cases.

Chinese marking and proof practices closely followed the Russian pattern during the first wave of production from /26\

The Russian "circle K" acceptable accuracy proof will be found on the barrle shank as will the "circle P" (Cyrillic "n") firing proof. this particular proof was replaced by the Chinese "double circle" proof from early-mid 60s on.

The best indicator of an unrefurbed carbine is the use of electro-penciled individual carbine numbers on the bottom of the rear sight, bottom of gas tube, piston shaft and extractor. These markings will match the individual carbine number as indicated by the receiver serial. A mismatched or absent number on the gas tube indicates a replacement.
As well, the electro penciled numbers are usually lost during a refurbing as they are applied lightly during the initial build.

Serial numbers stamped on the major parts (receiver, receiver cover, bolt, bolt carrier, trigger guard, magazine etc. should be of uniform depth, identical font and font size to that found on the receiver. Absent numbers, numbers of a different font or obvious removal of an old number by grinding will indicate a refurbed/replaced part.

Metal finish. The original finish for military issue T56s is polished blue (as per the Russian model) on all metal except the bolt carrier which is polished bright, again as in Russian practice. Refurbed carbines will show a spotty matt blue finish, re-blued pitting and the bolt carrier will be dull phosphated grey.

Wood type. Refurbed carbines show the yellow-orange finish and rough fitting/surface finish stock associated with most carbines seen here. The original stocks are of harder wood and dark finished similarly to those solid hardwood stocks seen on Russian examples. Finish and fit of these stocks is of a much higher grade than the yellow/orange types.

Other indicators of refurb are the use of a spike bayonet on pre 1966 carbines, use of stamped trigger guards on pre 1967 carbines, use of the stamped gas tube on pre 1968 carbines etc.
 
Since people are still voting I'm BTT ing this thread to make it easier to find .

Mods , if this is a problem you can put it back to the bottom .

Thanks ,

Craig
 
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