Poll: How long should you have to wait for match results?

how long after a match should the results be posted?

  • 24-48 hours

    Votes: 45 50.6%
  • 2-5 days

    Votes: 32 36.0%
  • 1-2 weeks

    Votes: 8 9.0%
  • No limit (Eg more then 30 days is acceptable)

    Votes: 4 4.5%

  • Total voters
    89
Ok, I am going to try and add something productive here. I will probably get shot down in flames but oh well.

First off, many RO’s, CRO’s, Range Masters and Match Directors have no idea what is involved in doing stats. I am a firm believer that ever MD and Match Official should have to do stats at least three times at a match so they better understand it.

The next problem is that’s stats is often treated as an after thought. In Alberta when we squad for a match we treat stats as a stage, in that we squad people to both input the stats and pick score sheets from the ranges. Sometimes these people will do double duty, like looking after registration check in or perhaps as chrono runners first thing in the morning (if needed.)

We also designate a stats director for the match. While we are lucky in that we have a very dedicated stats person in the person of Kevin M, we do have other people who are capable of taking on the job should Kevin not be at a match. Right now I would say we have an easy half dozen people who can take on the position should Kevin not be available. These people have been trained over the last few years. Both Kevin and Cathy K have worked very diligently on this so that we have a pool of stats people and we are always working on expanding it.

The other thing about having people “squadded” to do stats is that allows them to do verifications. This helps prevents problems when stats are posted. Again you have to have people available to do this.

I think the most impressive stats I have ever seen was at a National were only one person was scheduled each day to do stats. Between the two people who were scheduled to do them, they had stats out at the end of the day each and every day. If I remember correctly we had 255 shooters at that match.
 
shoot for fun, it is not a job or business, the scorekeepers and statisticians do a great job you have to remember this is not a paid position. You should know how you did after the match is over without looking at the results. Usually only the shooters that really want the match results immediately are the gamers. They are always looking for volunteers to help out, there are two types of people the doers and the complainers.
 
Funny

Storm, the thing that kills me about all this is your matches always have prompt results. Why are you getting bent out of shape defending people who do things to a lower denominator? People with attitudes like the post above who have no clue?
 
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Perhaps because I know what it is like to run a match...

Getting people out to help is a major pain in the ass.....

Every match I say that it is the last match I will ever MD due to lack of help..

Then like a stupid idiot............I book another one.

BTW...I am not "bent out of shape" .......well it is New Years so I might be bent later tonight.


Cheers
 
Bent?

Perhaps because I know what it is like to run a match...

Getting people out to help is a major pain in the ass.....

Every match I say that it is the last match I will ever MD due to lack of help..

Then like a stupid idiot............I book another one.

BTW...I am not "bent out of shape" .......well it is New Years so I might be bent later tonight.


Cheers
Me too. Bent might be good. You have what's called the "MDregretdisease"
It would be not so bad if it was terminal, but as anyone who runs matches knows, the problem is it's chronic and keeps coming back and back and back...
Maybe it's mixed with some sort of short term memory loss as well, because if we remembered all the BS we went through to get the match done, no-one sane would do it again....
 
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Alex, John;

Thank god for the short term memory loss because if not we would see a
lot less matches in Ontario. At GFGC we face the same problem, always the same few people helping out but you know what we have done 10 level 2's
in 2 years and will have 5 for 2008. It is not that big of a deal. Maybe our matches are not as big as ESSA, maybe 40 to 50 people but it is not that big of a deal. I am sorry guys, why do we keep chasing the same dog when we
no we will not quit? Oh and to echo you Alex, try not to be to hard on GUNTRAINER, he may not get the relevance of how important results are to some competitors, as well we are not all gamers. Hope to see you at Frank's
for the level lll. Happy New year all!
fwiw
Regards

Sig
DVC
 
shoot for fun, it is not a job or business, the scorekeepers and statisticians do a great job you have to remember this is not a paid position. You should know how you did after the match is over without looking at the results. Usually only the shooters that really want the match results immediately are the gamers. They are always looking for volunteers to help out, there are two types of people the doers and the complainers.

Guntrainer.. Please don't expect that just because you shoot this "For fun" that the rest us should as well.. As for "only the gamers” wanting the score, you need a reality check. This is a SPORT, and it has gotten as far as it has by treating is as a professional sport, and by people trying to get better or being competitive. I find it funny how when you see the majority of the volunteers, they are the ones that are not there just to "shoot for fun". They are mostly the competitive bunch, who knows that you need to do more than just treat it like fun, for the sport to survive. You can bet your ass they all have fun while shooting, but they also care a lot about the score and improving that score and their skills.. and by such, improving the sport.

To expect everyone to shoot for fun, and comments to that effect are just ridiculas
 
Ok, I am going to try and add something productive here. I will probably get shot down in flames but oh well.

First off, many RO’s, CRO’s, Range Masters and Match Directors have no idea what is involved in doing stats. I am a firm believer that ever MD and Match Official should have to do stats at least three times at a match so they better understand it.

The next problem is that’s stats is often treated as an after thought. In Alberta when we squad for a match we treat stats as a stage, in that we squad people to both input the stats and pick score sheets from the ranges. Sometimes these people will do double duty, like looking after registration check in or perhaps as chrono runners first thing in the morning (if needed.)

We also designate a stats director for the match. While we are lucky in that we have a very dedicated stats person in the person of Kevin M, we do have other people who are capable of taking on the job should Kevin not be at a match. Right now I would say we have an easy half dozen people who can take on the position should Kevin not be available. These people have been trained over the last few years. Both Kevin and Cathy K have worked very diligently on this so that we have a pool of stats people and we are always working on expanding it.

The other thing about having people “squadded” to do stats is that allows them to do verifications. This helps prevents problems when stats are posted. Again you have to have people available to do this.

I think the most impressive stats I have ever seen was at a National were only one person was scheduled each day to do stats. Between the two people who were scheduled to do them, they had stats out at the end of the day each and every day. If I remember correctly we had 255 shooters at that match.
In Alberta we are very lucky to have a group of dedicated people working at our matches
I think Stats is the toughest job at a match
And my thanks go out to them

DVC
Willie
 
shoot for fun, it is not a job or business, the scorekeepers and statisticians do a great job you have to remember this is not a paid position. You should know how you did after the match is over without looking at the results. Usually only the shooters that really want the match results immediately are the gamers. They are always looking for volunteers to help out, there are two types of people the doers and the complainers.


A couple of things:

You can't know how you did without knowing how everyone else did relative to you. That's how Comstock works, and for that you need scores, and you need to see them within a reasonable time frame for them to have any meaning.

Is there something wrong with being a gamer? While IPSC shooting is mostly an amateur sport, note that there is a professional contingent in the mix as well. These are the people that we mostly aspire to be like as our skills develop. IPSC is fun, competing is fun, hanging out with like-minded people and yakking about equipment or politics is fun. But it's up to the individual to define what they personally want or need to get out of the game and how intensely they want to play it. If you don't want to win no one will stop you, but some of us do and there ain't nothing wrong with that. It may be a volunteer effort to set up and run a match and a titanic one at that, but it is also an international sport with a homogeneous (more or less) rule set and a governing body. It's not street hockey. I say we either treat it with the respect and credibility it deserves or we watch it fizzle wane. It's a rule of nature for any organism; adapt or die.
 
A couple of things:

You can't know how you did without knowing how everyone else did relative to you. That's how Comstock works, and for that you need scores, and you need to see them within a reasonable time frame for them to have any meaning.

Is there something wrong with being a gamer? While IPSC shooting is mostly an amateur sport, note that there is a professional contingent in the mix as well. These are the people that we mostly aspire to be like as our skills develop. IPSC is fun, competing is fun, hanging out with like-minded people and yakking about equipment or politics is fun. But it's up to the individual to define what they personally want or need to get out of the game and how intensely they want to play it. If you don't want to win no one will stop you, but some of us do and there ain't nothing wrong with that. It may be a volunteer effort to set up and run a match and a titanic one at that, but it is also an international sport with a homogeneous (more or less) rule set and a governing body. It's not street hockey. I say we either treat it with the respect and credibility it deserves or we watch it fizzle wane. It's a rule of nature for any organism; adapt or die.


+1,...if we do not give results out in a timely matter, and award placing,...we are helping the ANti's who do not see a legitimate need for handgun ownership. IPSC and similiar shooting sports..are legitimate, credible, sanctioned,...professionally run where official ranking and prize structure is recognized. Even billiards and bowling have ranking and prize structures.:eek:...with official results......Games/sports that I consider "drinking games".
 
Now we have you all think about ipsc, we do this as a sport which is recognized throughout the world. Every IPSC shooter are all gamers , we plan our own way to shoot stages to our advantage. We all shoot to do our best at every match, scores and standings are very important. Without a standard to judge ourselves we cannot improve, like any other sport it is important for one's own being to improve and to be the best he can possibly be. I do take this sport seriously and by God it's nice to be your buddies at a match. I have set up many matches with little or no help but the one job I would not take on is statistician. It would be nice if we lived in a perfect world and our match results could be posted with in 2 days.Hats off to all the statistician,thank you for all the hard work.
 
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Yes Walter, ...He goes through all the competitors to weed out non-members, etc..... ...A.

I am kind of curious, how can you have a sanctioned IPSC level 2 match with non members? According to APPENDIX A1 IPSC Match Levels

Key: N/A = Not Applicable, R = Recommended, M = Mandatory

....................................................Level I Level II Level III Level IV Level V
01. Must follow latest edition IPSC rules....M........M........M..........M.........M
02. Competitors must be individual............R........M........M..........M.........M
members of their IPSC Region of residence (Section 6.5)


6.5.1 All competitors must be individual members of the IPSC Region in which they normally reside. Residency is defined as the Region where the individual is ordinarily domiciled for a minimum of 183 days of the twelve months immediately preceding the month in which the match begins. Ordinarily domiciled condition is a physical presence test and does not relate to citizenship or to any address of convenience. The 183 days need not be consecutive or the most recent 183 days of the twelve month period. In any case, match organizers must not accept any competitor from a foreign Region unless the Regional Director of that Region has confirmed the competitor's eligibility to participate in the subject match.
 
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No...in fact we don't allow non members to shoot Level 1 matches either.

It's up to the MD to ensure that non "non members" are not shooting (and for the most part it's followed)
 
Ontario

Quigley said:
No...in fact we don't allow non members to shoot Level 1 matches either.

Walter, what can I tell you. Here in Ontariario it's a region all it's own. Might as well start it's own shooting organisation with it's own rulebook.
Oh wait, I forgot, they've already done that. Maybe the spirit of CAPSA never really went away...:evil::evil::evil:

Anyways, all that doesn't matter. That's just the delay sometimes to get it on the Section Website. That's not the crux of the matter. The real deal is to get people to have the results done alongside the match, not day(s) later.
 
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Quigley said:
No...in fact we don't allow non members to shoot Level 1 matches either.

Walter, what can I tell you. Here in Ontariario it's a region all it's own. Might as well start it's own shooting organisation with it's own rulebook.
Oh wait, I forgot, they've already done that. Maybe the spirit of CAPSA never really went away...:evil::evil::evil:

Anyways, all that doesn't matter. That's just the delay sometimes to get it on the Section Website. That's not the crux of the matter. The real deal is to get people to have the results done alongside the match, not day(s) later.


CAPSA?!?! sounds like fun Where do I send my membership application... I think for Ontario we should Call it OPSA
 
i voted for 2-5 days, as i can appreciate the free time statistician needs to put in.........that said...now anxious to see hangover results...:);)
 
Match results

A small Lev 1 Match set up Fri. 05 Jan 08... 21:00hrs to 01:35hrs. First round down range 10:00hrs Sat...last shot fired 16:00hrs......Match results finalized and posted 16:22hrs...BEER down range by 17:10hrs....Results emailed to IPSC ONT and all competitors by 21:24hrs......

Dam imagine that.....x4 med, and x2 long...110rds, built, shot, torn down and results out in just about 24 hrs....THE EAST ROCKS....oh wait, a,, a, in Ontario now ....ONT ROCKS..ya.....lol

Cheers
BMW
 
A small Lev 1 Match set up Fri. 05 Jan 08... 21:00hrs to 01:35hrs. First round down range 10:00hrs Sat...last shot fired 16:00hrs......Match results finalized and posted 16:22hrs...BEER down range by 17:10hrs....Results emailed to IPSC ONT and all competitors by 21:24hrs......

How many competitors?
 
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