Poll: Would you like Frontier to sell Airstuff

Would you like Frontier to sell Airstuff?

  • Total voters
    370
I am not against Airsoft, but I voted NO because I have a hard enough time doing a search for something firearms related and having to try and get past all the airsoft stuff. It's like some time ago I had a thread here about 11mm firearm mounts for a center fire rifle that were not airsoft, rim fire and/or airgun. It took enough time on that and I'm selfish enough to want my CGN sponsors to sell stuff without the other stuff to complicate the searches.

That's just me.
 
Aniest said:
I am not against Airsoft, but I voted NO because I have a hard enough time doing a search for something firearms related and having to try and get past all the airsoft stuff. It's like some time ago I had a thread here about 11mm firearm mounts for a center fire rifle that were not airsoft, rim fire and/or airgun. It took enough time on that and I'm selfish enough to want my CGN sponsors to sell stuff without the other stuff to complicate the searches.

That's just me.
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Excellent point. When searching the internet for parts and accessories for firearms, it is a pain in the ass to sort out the airsoft from the read deal.

But, more specifically to what Frontier is asking... no airsoft. They should focus on bringing in as many real firearms as they can, at the best prices they can offer. There is already a bah-zillion sources for airsoft, we don't need one of the few firearms vendors we have diluting their both their attention and stock with airsoft.
 
Bad Lieutenant said:
CGN currently has 164,000+ members. You say "about a third are into airsoft".

That's almost 55,000 people. How did you come up with that figure?
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Let's see bad Lt.

Here is a statistical formula for determining a survey sample size.

http://help.surveymonkey.com/articles/en_US/kb/How-many-respondents-do-I-need

If you don't want to go through the entire calculation, here is a free calculator. Don't worry. I took university level statistics for my engineering degree. It all checks out.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/sample-size-calculator/

If you go ahead with the numbers you provided, 164,000 members, you can calculate that a sample size of 150 at a confidence level of 95 percent gives you a margin of error of about 8%.

Sure, my comments were a little general. Would you have preferred:

"30+-8% of CGNers at a confidence interval of 95% think airsoft is cool."? (As per the survey's question)

As a newbie to forms in general, I find people are very quick to pounce.
 
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aerobeast said:
Let's see bad Lt.

Here is a statistical formula for determining a survey sample size.

http://help.surveymonkey.com/articles/en_US/kb/How-many-respondents-do-I-need

If you don't want to go through the entire calculation, here is a free calculator. Don't worry. I took university level statistics for my engineering degree. It all checks out.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/sample-size-calculator/

If you go ahead with the numbers you provided, 164,000 members, you can calculate that a sample size of 150 at a confidence level of 95 percent gives you a margin of error of about 8%.

Sure, my comments were a little general. Would you have preferred:

"30+-8% of CGNers at a confidence interval of 95% think airsoft is cool."? (As per the survey's question)

As a newbie to forms in general, people are very quick to pounce.
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You call that "pouncing"...? It was just a question. (and I didn't realize you were so delicate)

I didn't ask for your resume, but anyway... you base it on the handful of people that voted. Got it.

Seems like poor methodology to me, but you're survey engineer...
 
How about Frontier Firearms selling some larger caliber air guns in .25cal, 9mm/.38cal, .45cal and .50cal? These can be pistol or rifles, that only shoot 495fps.....this way we could use them much easier without need for an expensive range membership. Prices should be less than $500 cdn.
I think Crosman is now selling an "airbow" that shoots full size arrows at around 450fps...so does that mean that no PAL is required? Unfortunately they go for around $800/900usd....way too much.
 
Not a survey engineer. Aerospace engineer. Not my resume not even close. How else would I have gotten that conclusion but from the handful of people that voted....
That's what you do with polls!!

Would you prefer a more thorough approach?

You made a comment as if I was an idiot making some kind of mistake. Maybe it was just my preception. If so I apologize. But now you are making a snide comment about my sensitivity...forms are interesting. read about them, never participated in one.

Taking a sample survey of a population is a very standard component to market analysis. 160 people responding is pretty good considering its free!
 
aerobeast said:
Not a survey engineer. Aerospace engineer. Not my resume not even close.
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You're supposedly some engineer-type-guy, doing surveys, so whatever. (I actually don't care what you are).

aerobeast said:
How else would I have gotten that conclusion but from the handful of people that voted....
That's what you do with polls!!
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Relax, like I said... it was just a question. Knowing this community, I would be surprised if that many were into airsoft.

aerobeast said:
Would you prefer a more thorough approach?
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At first... sure, if it were possible. But now I don't really care anymore.

aerobeast said:
You made a comment as if I was an idiot making some kind of mistake. Maybe it was just my preception. If so I apologize. But now you are making a snide comment about my sensitivity...forms are interesting. read about them, never participated in one.
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Yes, it is your 'perception', so apology accepted. No one called you an 'idiot'. I do think you're over-reacting, and if you think the observations was "snide", then perhaps that's just another perception issue.

aerobeast said:
Taking a sample survey of a population is a very standard component to market analysis. 160 people responding is pretty good considering its free!
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OK, got it.
 
I would go co2 bb/pellet guns first.. but really why not sell them all? Not sure why anyone would vote no. Seems almost odd... and I don't own a single airsoft gun.
 
K-Roc said:
I would go co2 bb/pellet guns first.. but really why not sell them all? Not sure why anyone would vote no. Seems almost odd... and I don't own a single airsoft gun.
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FF has a finite budget and floor space. I, as I'm sure others, would prefer they dedicate that budget and floor space to firearms. Anything they put into airsoft, they have to take away from the real guns...
 
BB guns, pellet guns and airsoft guns, even tho they fire projectiles at lower speeds they definitely should be treated as real firearms, I mean ever see what a break action BB rifle does to a grouse, it's lethal, there are no kiddie things when it comes to fire arms
 
Bad Lieutenant said:
FF has a finite budget and floor space. I, as I'm sure others, would prefer they dedicate that budget and floor space to firearms. Anything they put into airsoft, they have to take away from the real guns...
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Fair enough... never been to the store, just ordered online a few times.

I have a soft spot for the higher end co2 pistols... fun to take to cottage country and plink cans since it's illegal to do so with a .22 pistol.
 
Every time I go into Bass Pro I have noticed their BB and Airsoft gun section growing. For the most part its full of junk that you would also find at Canadian Tire. They snag the attention of people whom are not interested in joining the sport of airsoft and just want to have a few laughs for $25-50 and a few welts.

I think the problem is that when you start reaching into this avenue you're going to be selling mostly lower end stuff because its cheap; and you're in competition with Crappy Tire, Mal Wart, Cabella's, Bass Pro, and so on. I'm not sure what the local market in Quebec City would be like at all; maybe there is enough niche for display floor space to make it a viable business venture.

Online sales for CGN users might see some interest in things that would otherwise be dewat access only. It had been mentioned before that you could drop $1000+ for an AK Dewat or for $300-500 you can have a very impressive looking replica that sits on the wall just as pretty as the dewat except it also fires a plastic BB. This avenue of interest would lead to only investing in higher end airsoft guns with cost more money than the market that Crappy Tire/Bass Pro would venture, and take up lots of warehouse space.

I remember the days of M-249 SAW's from Classic Army costing $1200 or more; and now see them at the $500-600 market pending variant and such. The market for airsoft has been saturated with many new comers over the last 5 years that I barely recognize any of the market at all when ever the urge to add some LMG or GPMG flair to the gun wall.
 
Every time I go into Bass Pro I have noticed their BB and Airsoft gun section growing. For the most part its full of junk that you would also find at Canadian Tire. They snag the attention of people whom are not interested in joining the sport of airsoft and just want to have a few laughs for $25-50 and a few welts.

I think the problem is that when you start reaching into this avenue you're going to be selling mostly lower end stuff because its cheap; and you're in competition with Crappy Tire, Mal Wart, Cabella's, Bass Pro, and so on. I'm not sure what the local market in Quebec City would be like at all; maybe there is enough niche for display floor space to make it a viable business venture.

Online sales for CGN users might see some interest in things that would otherwise be dewat access only. It had been mentioned before that you could drop $1000+ for an AK Dewat or for $300-500 you can have a very impressive looking replica that sits on the wall just as pretty as the dewat except it also fires a plastic BB. This avenue of interest would lead to only investing in higher end airsoft guns with cost more money than the market that Crappy Tire/Bass Pro would venture, and take up lots of warehouse space.

I remember the days of M-249 SAW's from Classic Army costing $1200 or more; and now see them at the $500-600 market pending variant and such. The market for airsoft has been saturated with many new comers over the last 5 years that I barely recognize any of the market at all when ever the urge to add some LMG or GPMG flair to the gun wall.
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This is what we saw as well. Sell mostly for the guys who want a replica with a few functions that you can legally own and shooting in your basement.
 
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