Years ago, I had a Miroku Model 500 double that would shoot slugs from one barrel to point of aim, and cluster a buckshot pattern around the same point of aim from the other barrel. Thought that was pretty good. Slugs from both barrels - forget about it. Wild.
Poor Mans Double
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I emailed PR about the “polish express” neither them or google have any info about the model.
Apparently it is drilled and tapped in the rib and no provision for a rear sight. Barrels apparently do not appear to have been cut down. I have seen factory 24 inch Baikal with no sights being sold as “rare” (
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Inspection on my computer of the added raised comb has really decreased my enthusiasm
An outfit in the states used to make “ball and shot guns” on smoothbores: https://bigfivehq.com/Galleries/Gallery3/gallery3.htm
Not sure they are still available
I’ve been salivating over this gun for YEARS:
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/ball-and-shot-guns/bentley-playfair-shot-ball-blne-rifled.cfm?gun_id=101990203
Don’t think the price has ever dropped in that time
Apparently it is drilled and tapped in the rib and no provision for a rear sight. Barrels apparently do not appear to have been cut down. I have seen factory 24 inch Baikal with no sights being sold as “rare” (
)Inspection on my computer of the added raised comb has really decreased my enthusiasm
An outfit in the states used to make “ball and shot guns” on smoothbores: https://bigfivehq.com/Galleries/Gallery3/gallery3.htm
Not sure they are still available
I’ve been salivating over this gun for YEARS:
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/ball-and-shot-guns/bentley-playfair-shot-ball-blne-rifled.cfm?gun_id=101990203
Don’t think the price has ever dropped in that time
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antiqueguy
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A sxs slug gun would be great for bear and moose. I have always wanted a sxs rifle been looking at some of the old BPE rifles that are around.
That’s an interesting thought. I remember a few years back there was an entry level double rifle maker that was fine tuning their regulating by taking a dremel to their muzzles. Didn’t make any 5000 dollar customers happy but it would be interesting to try on a cheap shotgun
Do wonder if non concentric bores would deform from shooting single projectiles
The sabbatis had grinding on the crowns, wonder if this would work the same with a cylinder bore shotgun and potentially avert any issues.
I guess colindians and some modern Russian guns have ovoid Lancaster rifling. An ovoid choke may not hurt, but what if it’s not inline with the barrel?
There have to be some Russian side by side slug guns out there. It’s my understanding from a Moldovan buddy that shotgun only laws are not uncommon in the former eastern bloc; and were the norm before the iron curtain fell.
The sabbatis had grinding on the crowns, wonder if this would work the same with a cylinder bore shotgun and potentially avert any issues.
I guess colindians and some modern Russian guns have ovoid Lancaster rifling. An ovoid choke may not hurt, but what if it’s not inline with the barrel?
There have to be some Russian side by side slug guns out there. It’s my understanding from a Moldovan buddy that shotgun only laws are not uncommon in the former eastern bloc; and were the norm before the iron curtain fell.
From the briley website:
Excentrix chokes are a method of moving the point of impact(POI) of your shotgun without having to alter the actual installation of the screw in choke system. In custom fixturing that we have here at Briley Mfg., we have the ability to bore a choke off center so as to alter the POI by as much as 8" in any direction. The tighter the constriction, the further the POI can be moved. Please forward your bbl to Briley Mfg. with detailed instructions on how far you wish the POI moved, in which direction, and at what distance this information is based upon.
Cost on an Excentrix choke is typically $125.
Neat idea but it sounds like they need your barrels to make it work, kinda screws us Canadians
4300 bucks and regulated by laser. I am honestly not sure how that works out with different loads etc but I imagine it doesn’t achieve single projectile accuracy.
An increase of almost 2000 dollars from what they were like 2 years ago.
Bilozir said:
The price for a RFM 12ga Zeus Slug gun is $4300.00.
The tell me that the combination of the Pandemic caused increases in supplies and labour costs, and dramatic inflation has greatly added to their prices.
And here I was pissy about paying northern prices for tomatoes down south…
He did have one with a smooth and paradox barrel for 2100 but it had no rear sight. At the time I would have bought it if it did. They are plain guns; paying 4300 for one seems crazy.
Ugartechea makes one; price listed as “exclusive price for individuals”. I believe this is poorly translated Spanish for “ if you have to ask”
An increase of almost 2000 dollars from what they were like 2 years ago.
Bilozir said:
The price for a RFM 12ga Zeus Slug gun is $4300.00.
The tell me that the combination of the Pandemic caused increases in supplies and labour costs, and dramatic inflation has greatly added to their prices.
And here I was pissy about paying northern prices for tomatoes down south…
He did have one with a smooth and paradox barrel for 2100 but it had no rear sight. At the time I would have bought it if it did. They are plain guns; paying 4300 for one seems crazy.
Ugartechea makes one; price listed as “exclusive price for individuals”. I believe this is poorly translated Spanish for “ if you have to ask”
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So what are you actually trying to accomplish here? Big game ( deer, bear) hunting where shotguns only allowed? So called “bear defense”? A toy? Just curiosity?
For general game hunting hunting a pump or autoloader would likely be more accurate, more consistent, cheaper and easily scoped. Practical range is short, target is large, tack driving accuracy not necessary.
Bear defense? Where? When? I’ve lived, worked and hunted in areas heavily populated by both black and grizzly bears for most of my life. I know of only two people who had to defend themselves from a close range charging bear, both grizzlies and both successfully won the encounter with the rifle they were moose hunting with, no harm to the hunters except soiled underwear and some nightmares. People who work in the bush daily in the north like timber cruisers, prospectors, guides, foresters, etc often carry a short barrelled 12 gauge when working in bear country, I’ve never known of one that needed it in a life threatening situation, they look at it like wearing a seat belt, another layer of protection. And at bad breath distances in an attack situation regulation means squat.
A toy I can see, but an expensive one.
Curiosity can be expensive.
Don’t worry, this will not cost you any money
Why are you so concerned with my motivations for a hypothetical question? You already asked and got this question answered. The “why do you want ###X” brigade always shows up without fail.
I didn’t always live in Saskatchewan, and in fact will not for much longer. I have worked and lived in the Bush in northern BC for almost a decade and can count on one hand the number of times I’ve carried a gun. This is not a bear defence thread. People may have “ often “ carried guns when working in the Bush in northern BC in the 70’s but nowadays it is rare and most foresters seem to be 25 year old women who are more likely to be vegetarians than shotgun owners
What am I trying to accomplish? Exactly what is in the title and the many posts I’ve made in this thread. If practicality was a concern I would only own a bolt 30-06, 12 gauge over under and 22
If saving money was the concern I would buy meat and berries at the grocery store
Why are you so concerned with my motivations for a hypothetical question? You already asked and got this question answered. The “why do you want ###X” brigade always shows up without fail.
I didn’t always live in Saskatchewan, and in fact will not for much longer. I have worked and lived in the Bush in northern BC for almost a decade and can count on one hand the number of times I’ve carried a gun. This is not a bear defence thread. People may have “ often “ carried guns when working in the Bush in northern BC in the 70’s but nowadays it is rare and most foresters seem to be 25 year old women who are more likely to be vegetarians than shotgun owners
What am I trying to accomplish? Exactly what is in the title and the many posts I’ve made in this thread. If practicality was a concern I would only own a bolt 30-06, 12 gauge over under and 22
If saving money was the concern I would buy meat and berries at the grocery store
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Have you seen the price of blueberries these days?
That Italian job is ridiculously overpriced, though kinda neat with the paradox bore.
Sounds like you need to buy an intersurplus special and a book on regulating a double. A couple bottles of cheap whisky might help too. God speed
That Italian job is ridiculously overpriced, though kinda neat with the paradox bore.
Sounds like you need to buy an intersurplus special and a book on regulating a double. A couple bottles of cheap whisky might help too. God speed
antiqueguy
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I think I know the op’s reasoning and there’s a reason double rifles still exist fast follow up shots without having to rack a forend or bolt handle. Double rifles in dangerous game hunting situations make more sense then a bolt bc the operator is less likely to screw up under pressure. I still want to build a sxs .577 snider on a shotgun action why bc I can it’s a free country and people can do what they want.
antiqueguy
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Also something i didn’t mention but look for a strong shotgun 2 or even better 3 bites there’s lots of these floating around.
