Popular misconceptions about hunting rifles.

I guess I be one too...always knew that, actually...

I love that little gun. You've posted it a couple of times, and every time I see it I begin plotting and rationalizing and scheming...:)
 
I guess I be one too...always knew that, actually...

I love that little gun. You've posted it a couple of times, and every time I see it I begin plotting and rationalizing and scheming...:)

Thanks fer that sir. :) I done another fudd thing with me LE in .32-40 Winchester. Both are just plain fun to shoot. Fudds are people too!:cool:
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If I was at a range when someone came prepared to shoot a Ross, I would ask the owner if I I could inspect his/her rifle, to ascertain if it was in the safe shooting mode. safe to shoot. This is because a person with only his hands as tools, can change a safely put together Ross rifle, to one which would likely split the shooters hand open, if fired while it was in the unsafe configuration.
And it is so simple to look at the rear of the action and take note of which way the bolt starts to turn, while it is very slowly moved rearward.
Of course one would engage the owner first, to get the feel of his/her position on what you are doing.
 
^ Um....

Couple of issues here. It's not "a Ross" that can have an incorrectly assembled bolt, it's ONLY the Mk III. And even then almost all were modified to make this impossible.

You can't see the bolt rotate from the rear of the action. The rear of the action is the cocking piece, which doesn't rotate. What you need to look for is if the lugs rotate AT ALL into the locking recesses. If it's assembled incorrectly, they don't. There's no such thing as "which way the bolt starts to turn" - it's if it turns period. The easiest way to tell is just to open the action and look at the bolt to make sure the bolt head is protruding from the sleeve about an inch. If it's assembled wrong, it'll be flush.

My feel on someone asking to inspect my rifle would be to suggest what personal appendage of theirs they could go inspect instead, and perhaps ask them why on earth they thought they knew more about my rifle than I did. Maybe it's just the way you wrote it, but it sounds like you don't actually understand yourself what to look for. The non social leper way to check out a Mk III wouldn't be to say "hey, can I inspect that to see if it's assembled correctly", it would be to say "hey, neat Ross, mind if I see it?" No need for any more drama than that.
 
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Couple of issues here. It's not "a Ross" that can have an incorrectly assembled bolt, it's ONLY the Mk III. And even then almost all were modified to make this impossible.

You can't see the bolt rotate from the rear of the action. The rear of the action is the cocking piece, which doesn't rotate. What you need to look for is if the lugs rotate AT ALL into the locking recesses. If it's assembled incorrectly, they don't. There's no such thing as "which way the bolt starts to turn" - it's if it turns period. The easiest way to tell is just to open the action and look at the bolt to make sure the bolt head is protruding from the sleeve about an inch. If it's assembled wrong, it'll be flush.

So kind of you, to tell me how to talk to people and ask questions!
I once bought a 303 ross with a riveted pin through the bolt. Only trouble was, I could take the bolt apart, assemble it correctly and it was safe to shoot.
Or, I could assemble it in an unsafe to shoot position to shoot and anyone firing it would likely lose half of there shooting hand.

All this with no tools and just looking at the rear of the action from an angle, to see if it was going to be safe, or in unsafe position.
There are a lot of ways to do things and a lot of nuances to satisfy, so one has to be very careful on getting too precise about such things.


My feel on someone asking to inspect my rifle would be to suggest what personal appendage of theirs they could go inspect instead, and perhaps ask them why on earth they thought they knew more about my rifle than I did. Maybe it's just the way you wrote it, but it sounds like you don't actually understand yourself what to look for. The non social leper way to check out a Mk III wouldn't be to say "hey, can I inspect that to see if it's assembled correctly", it would be to say "hey, neat Ross, mind if I see it?" No need for any more drama than that.

Now it is all mixed up and I can't get it straightened out. Must be time to go to bed.
 
I'm not sure there's many nuances. There's precisely one right way and one wrong way to assemble a Mk III bolt. This video shows it very well. I don't see how you could be too precise about describing the correct way, or what to look for. You don't look AT the rear of the action, you look FROM the rear of the action AT the locking lugs. That's a pretty important distinction, especially in describing it to someone unfamiliar with the Mk III bolt.

I maintain that asking to inspect another shooter's rifle is just about bound to cause unnecessary offence. Asking to see their rifle and admire it won't. Same outcome, different effect. Since they're going to hand you a rifle with an open action, you can see all you need to see without even suggesting the possibility they're a doofus who doesn't know their tool. It's just staggering to me that anyone would assume they're more familiar with someone else's rifle than the shooter is, or need to intervene based on that assumption. If you're really worried, just ask to see it. No need for the "mind if I inspect that" theatrics.

 
Not really... I am sure there are errors in that vast website, but in general it can make everyone more knowledgeable.

Here is an old myth...

When shooting a scoped rifle the bullet rises and crosses the cross hair twice...

A bullet rising from the muzzle is a myth...

Draw an imaginary line through the center of the bore, extended to as far as you would like... point the rifle more or less level... a bullet fired through this barrel will begin dropping immediately upon exiting the muzzle. It will never rise above the center of the bore. The bullet doesn't rise, the scope is angled downwards and intersects the bullet trajectory. The trajectory is always below the center of the barrel and dropping more and more with distance traveled.

This is factual, not a myth.

Except you said crosshairs. Not bore axis.
Sorry for the necro post. Got linked in from a similar post and couldn't let that slide.
 
Not really... I am sure there are errors in that vast website, but in general it can make everyone more knowledgeable.

Here is an old myth...

When shooting a scoped rifle the bullet rises and crosses the cross hair twice...

A bullet rising from the muzzle is a myth...

Draw an imaginary line through the center of the bore, extended to as far as you would like... point the rifle more or less level... a bullet fired through this barrel will begin dropping immediately upon exiting the muzzle. It will never rise above the center of the bore. The bullet doesn't rise, the scope is angled downwards and intersects the bullet trajectory. The trajectory is always below the center of the barrel and dropping more and more with distance traveled.

This is factual, not a myth.

Hey, good start to things here!

You might want to take your own advice. Guntech is talking about line of bore. You're talking about line of sight. He didn't say the bullet doesn't rise above line of sight
Yes he did, at first.
 
And the 9.3x62 is a necked-up 30-06.

Mine is, and then on first firing it changes to the shape of the chamber like all rounds do.

This and the 270 "problem" are quite anal, I get it, but in fact no round is simply another necked up or down, since it's never just the neck that changes but also as a minimum, the shoulder..........

P.S. Post #148 was 4831's last post before he passed away. I miss that guy.
 
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