Got a Wingmaster the other day. Will be using it for some trap, sporting clays and field use. Bought a 28" barrel and now undecided as to the type of chokes and porting. I'm thinking of having it proported (by Magna port) or a gunsmith that has a porting jig. Also considering to get trap chokes (by Comp-n-Choke) that protude from the mussle and are also ported. Should I do one or the other or both?
Ported Chokes / barrel porting or both?
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Super Scout said:
You should do neither. I've owned ported shotguns and ported chokes and don't believe either are particularly effective at reducing muzzle jump or recoil. Shoot the gun as is for a year and if recoil is a problem then switch to a lighter shell or add weight to the gun. Barrel porting's most notable achievements IMO are to make a barrel harder to clean and to make the gun louder.
Thank you. O.K. I'm planning on using 1 oz loads with pressures between 6500 and 7300 what about those recoil reducers you put in either the butt or magazine tube. That should add add enough weight to it as well as reduce some of the recoil. You would think.
They do work and make the gun softer shooting in my experience.Super Scout said:
Are you concerned about recoil or trying to get over a flinch? That seems to be the case with your questions here and about release triggers in another forum.
I have two sons that would like to try trap in the spring. I've let them shoot my 2 3/4 slug barrel and they find it packs a fair punch. I watched a clip on the Beretta Extreme and was taken by the light recoil by that gun. I was hoping to get similar results by working on an 870. T think I’ll start with a recoil reducer in the magazine tube with light loads. Found 1-oz. field loads in the Lyman 3rd Edition using Hi-Skor 800x giving 1295 fps with 6600 lup. I figure if I stay under 7000 L.U.P they should enjoy it. Thanks for your help.
Loads
Hi if you are looking to get the young people shooting try
Winchester Super Target or Remington Gun Club hulls, 7/8 oz #8, Winchester grey wad or Claybuster 4100, 14.5 grns of 700X along with Win primer.
Very soft shooting and can break em all up to 20 yard line.
You will never get an 870 to shoot soft I have one weighted up in butt and a bbl weight and any 1100 will be a lot softer.
Try and pick up a used 1100 I have just picked one up for 250.00 in excelent shape so shop around.
Hi if you are looking to get the young people shooting try
Winchester Super Target or Remington Gun Club hulls, 7/8 oz #8, Winchester grey wad or Claybuster 4100, 14.5 grns of 700X along with Win primer.
Very soft shooting and can break em all up to 20 yard line.
You will never get an 870 to shoot soft I have one weighted up in butt and a bbl weight and any 1100 will be a lot softer.
Try and pick up a used 1100 I have just picked one up for 250.00 in excelent shape so shop around.
LUP isn't a reliable indicator of recoil but shot weight and velocity are. I think you are on the right track with a 1 ounce load but I'd suggest dropping the velocity back by 100-150 fps.Super Scout said:
FWIW, you might consider a faster burning powder. 800X is on the slow side and while quite good for subgauge and heavy magnum loads, a faster burning powder (700X, Greet Dot, Clays) will permit you to work up loads (e.g. 1 ounce at 1150 fps) that will be very easy on the shoulder.
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Concur with the recommendations so far - porting/ported chokes are not worth the investment here. Absolutely nothing wrong with Remington's chokes, or standard Briley extended chokes for that matter either. 1 oz loads at 1150 to 1200 should be quite comfortable. The biggest criteria will be to get the gun to fit & balance. At about the 8 lb. level, the Wingmaster shouldn't generate much recoil at all with light 1 oz. target loads. A good Pachmayr or Limbsaver recoiul pad will also be a big help.
I have two son's that shoot. One 13 and the other 10. Light loads are the way to go but the one you list isn't it. 1295fps for a 1oz load is quite stiff. Try and find a 7/8oz or 1oz load in the 1150-1200fps range and it will be much better for them. 800x is not the powder to load for 1oz loads either. It will work for "hot" loads but you'd be better off with RedDot, Promo (very inexpensive and what we use) or 700X . My oldest started off on an 870 and we never did anything to reduce recoil expect have the stock cut to fit him and tought him proper form with light 7/8oz loads. Those things can do more for recoil reduction than anything you can buy.
Have fun with your kids....it's a blast.
Tim
Have fun with your kids....it's a blast.
Tim
I have a Magnaported pump and semi 12ga. In both cases felt recoil reduced to the level of a 20ga. With the semi, speed to get the next aimed shot reduced significantly.
I also have a ported choke and found it made no noticable difference. I've been told that pressure at the muzzle of a shotgun is too low for it to be effective.
Ported guns are very noisy, but if you are wearing ear protection the point is moot.
Nonetheless I suggest you put off the porting till you get a chance to try out a ported gun.
I also have a ported choke and found it made no noticable difference. I've been told that pressure at the muzzle of a shotgun is too low for it to be effective.
Ported guns are very noisy, but if you are wearing ear protection the point is moot.
Nonetheless I suggest you put off the porting till you get a chance to try out a ported gun.
