Possible unrefurbished original M1 Carbine

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Hi all,

I am posting this for a buddy. He bought this off a older man and I suspect that this could be a original unrefurbished M1 Carbine (as it doesn't have the bayonet lug on it). I know only general information about these rifles and am definitely not a expert on them so any help is appreciated. He is looking for a evaluation on this (as to if it is a original and unrefurbished M1 Carbine) and a estimate of the value of it as he isn't sure if he wants to sell it or not.

Well here are some pics he sent me (sorry about them being poor quality)









Thanks for looking
 
This is my rifle I was unsure as to how to load the pictures. This rifle has the original pip sights no bayonet lugs. It was manufactured by IBM corp. this rifle has no signs of visible wear on it. And the stock is stamped.
 
Externally it appears to have its original configuration and appears to be in nice condition. To determine originality we would need to know thr markings on the various parts incl the stock and handguard. Any rust or pitting under the wood? What's the bore like? Value always depends on originality of parts and condition.
 
Certainly has a lot of the right bits to be original, either way a nice example of an early carbine. Ball parking value is a bit odd - the Carbine seems to be undergoing something of a revival on the West Coast - out here that would be a solid $800-$900, if it's 100 percent original, probably more.
 
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Un refurbed US firearms are not that common up here. I know for sure recently a collector dropped $1900 on a nice all original carbine without question. And was happy to do so. Do that value is there but you'll have to prove it with pics of all the important bits.
 
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I will work at getting better pictures up this week. This rifle is from IBM with a serial number 3345. I never seen any rust, but I would show pictures soon.
 
If it had gone through a US refurb. program, it would have been upgraded with the later features.
For that reason alone I would suspect that it is original.
 
Northern_guy111 said:
I will work at getting better pictures up this week. This rifle is from IBM with a serial number 3345. I never seen any rust, but I would show pictures soon.
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This is not possible. IBM serial range was 3651520 to 4009999.

If the serial number is currently 3345 then its been messed around with at some point.

In your photo above it appears to be a seven digit serial number so I'm not sure where you're getting 3345?

Your M1 Carbine appears it might have a chance of being original and unrefurbished.

Unfortunately someone has cut down the magazine and the original sling swivel, C tip sling, and oiler appear to be long gone. A serious collector may try to replace these accessories if the rest of the rifle checks out.

Hopefully you will come back here and post more detailed photographs of the parts, and very importantly the stock markings, so we can get a better idea of originality.

Regards,
-Steve
 
In all likelihood it was made the way it is by somebody with too much time and money. 99.99% of all carbines went through an aresenal rebuild. You need to look at the internal parts too, but it really won't tell you much. M1 Carbine parts were made all over the Eastern seaboard of the U.S. None of the manufacturers made all the parts anyway.
 
sunray said:
In all likelihood it was made the way it is by somebody with too much time and money. 99.99% of all carbines went through an aresenal rebuild. You need to look at the internal parts too, but it really won't tell you much. M1 Carbine parts were made all over the Eastern seaboard of the U.S. None of the manufacturers made all the parts anyway.
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Thanks for stopping in sunray. Congrats on another incorrect and useless post that now brings you to 19,839. Once again we remind new members that your posts are often incorrect and have no real value/authority and you simply stop by every thread to boost your post count or perhaps due to pure boredom.

Of course more than 0.01% of M1 Carbines were not rebuilt. WWII veterans were able to sneak a lot of stuff home, and I suspect these M1A1's fit very nicely into their dufflebags when folded up:



As far as your other statements go:

The M1 Carbine posted above stands a good chance of being original, despite a few missing accessories.

The internals will actually tell us a lot.

Inland (A division of General Motors) were able to build M1 Carbines with very few parts supplied to them.

Thankfully sunray usually only stops by a thread once, so we can now carry on with the serious discussion.

Regards,
-Steve
 
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Northern_guy111 said:
I don't have the full serial number you'll be able to see all when I get the new pictures up. The full serial 3396865
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The only block of serial numbers assigned to IBM for use on production M1 Carbines during WWII was 3651520 to 4000999 inclusive. 3396865 also does not fall into that range.

Check your serial number again and post a detailed photograph so we can determine more.

Regards,
-Steve
 
I only put up the first four of the serial number. But I was wrong on the first four it's 3398. I just don't want to place the full serial number up
 
mags are nice but not worth much $20-30 bucks these days, orig slings are getting harder to find I got dozens of c-tip slings and oilers for 10.00 a set about 10 years ago have an IBM marked sling somewhere too......

stock looks to have been sanded a lot (pic kinda sucks) The trigger group, mag well sticks out too far the were usually flush with the stock
 
Northern_guy111 said:
I only put up the first four of the serial number. But I was wrong on the first four it's 3398. I just don't want to place the full serial number up
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I think you missed my point - it's impossible for an IBM M1 Carbine serial number to start with 3398.

Either you've read the serial number wrong or the serial number has been tampered with.

Please post a detailed photo of the serial number. If you must cover the last two digits that would still be fine.

You've come here with a big question regarding if you're M1 Carbine is original or not, we're trying to help but a few blurry photos just aren't going to help any of us determine anything. So far all we've determined is that it might stand a chance -- but it also has a serial number problem.

Regards,
-Steve
 
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