Possible unrefurbished original M1 Carbine

twig_40 said:
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a c-tip? And could someone post pictures of the correct sling and oiler.
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Collectors refer to early WWII M1 Carbine slings as 'c-tip' slings because the metal is formed around the cloth ends in a c shape:



This sling is original but there's lots of reproductions and fakes on the market as well. Original c-tip slings are becoming rather pricey and I'm relieved all my M1 Carbines still retained the original sling.

Regards,
-Steve
 
Hi, Steve is right about the serial number range, if yours starts with those 4 numbers it's in the Saginaw S.G. Range. There are duplicate serial numbers out there but only seen them close to the beginning and end of ranges. Got to remember manufactures 75 years ago did not have collectors in mind 75 years later, they put these together with any parts they had on hand, lots used prime contractors for barrel and other parts, buffalo arms and marlin made barrels. There's with out a doubt original untouched m1's out there that have unissued and issued. Between myself and Steve that accounts for five and I know another member on here's has one, so there alone is six. Getting close to the .01 percent of original carbines out there according to sunray :rolleyes:

For your viewing pleasure a original first production run inland M1A1 which appears to be issued and original Saginaw Grand Rapids S.G. Which appears to be unissued. The Saginaw has the correct c-tip sling, oiler and mag pouch, still after an original c-tip for the paratrooper








Here's a Saginaw MI S'G' with post war upgrades beside them
 
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I will have better pictures up tomorrow for every one. I'm not sure if I want to sell it or not. I'm getting pretty bummed that I've never shot. They want 50 door a cheap box of .30 carbine.
 
Great pics live4therut!!!!!!!! They look awesome.

Welcome to the original Inland M1A1 club ;) ;)

Northern_guy111 said:
I will have better pictures up tomorrow for every one. I'm not sure if I want to sell it or not. I'm getting pretty bummed that I've never shot. They want 50 door a cheap box of .30 carbine.
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Looking forward to the new photos so we can help get it figured out.

-Steve
 
gunsdora said:
live4therut your M1A1 scock is the second run not the frist
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I disagree. The stock is clearly an early high-wood first run M1A1 stock.

Second run M1A1's had low-wood stocks, a different shape to the pistol grip, and different markings. I'm not sure how you're confusing them?

live4therut's M1A1 stock is original, with very sharp and correct markings too.

From Bruce Canfield:

"There are several features to examine when attempting to identify a genuine M1A1 carbine stock. The most important are as follows:
1. The inside of the stock (the barrel channel) will be marked 'OI." This denotes that the stock was manufactured by the Overton Company for Inland (Overton-Inland).
2. The underside of the pistol grip on the First Contract M1A1 Carbines was also marked 'OI' along with a small Ordnance Department crossed cannon escutcheon. Later production pistol grips were typically marked 'RI/3". These were made under subcontract by the J.C. Richardson Company (Richard-Inland). On most of the latter grips, a larger Ordnance escutcheon was stamped on the right side rather than on the bottom of the grip as found on the earlier examples. The configuration of many of the later grips was also somewhat different than the earlier examples. 
3. The inside of the metal buttplate had a drawing number cast (not stamped). The number 'B257614,' was followed by an asterisk-shaped marking enclosed in a circle (sometimes described as a wagon wheel) followed by one-or two-digit number. This marking is often rather indistinct and can be hard to read. Reproduction M1A1 buttplates are usually unmarked although some fakes may be noted with a stamped (not cast) number.
4. The early stocks typically had a circled 'P' proofmark stamped on the rear of the stock. The marking was not generally found on the later stocks. It should be noted that many of the post-war rebuilt stocks had a proof mark applied as part of the overhaul procedure, but this was often a block letter 'P' (not enclosed in a circle).
5. The leather cheek pad was neatly attached to the stock and secured by rivets. Some rivets marked '7/4' have been observed, and these are believed to have been automotive brake shoe rivets made by Inland. Early rivets for the M1A1 cheek pad were typically made of brass, while most the later rivets were made of Parkerized steel and usually painted brown to match the leather. The leather of the original cheek pads and was fairly thin, and some original stocks have deteriorated or damaged pads. Some owners choose to replace the missing or damage pads with newly made leather pads. Original leather pads will show evidence of factory-quality workmanship, whereas many of the replaced pads are somewhat ill-fitting or fabricated using leather that is not too thick and/or too light in color."

Regards,
-Steve
 
i think i've finally found out how to upload the pictures, the markings on the stock are hard to see but I am able to see the cross cannons.
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i'll have to do that later, all the outer markings are pretty faded and it's missing the sling swivel but i've found an original ibm stamped swivel
 
Hi Guys,

The mine is an M2 Inland DIV and serial numbers #7128241 with a very good in and out barrel and markings Inland and GM are there. The Fat belly stock have both identification Circle with 2 canon right side and SA other side with the inlay for selector but it'snt there. How find these parts and their prices.

What's the value of this authentic model and how much more with selector parts on it ???

Normart

Normart
 
normart said:
Hi Guys,

The mine is an M2 Inland DIV and serial numbers #7128241 with a very good in and out barrel and markings Inland and GM are there. The Fat belly stock have both identification Circle with 2 canon right side and SA other side with the inlay for selector but it'snt there. How find these parts and their prices.

What's the value of this authentic model and how much more with selector parts on it ???

Normart

Normart
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If it is a M2 then you need to have the 12.3 licence to own it, if you don't you have a prohibited firearm in your possession at the moment. To get the parts to make it whole (as in full auto) and put those parts in you need to have a 12.2 licence to own it, if you do not you have a prohibited firearm and you can be charged. Value is hard to say as there are fewer and fewer people with 12.2 and 12.3 licences (I also imagine it is worth more as a 12.3 as there are likely more people with that licence).
 
Aw jeez, now I have to dig out my IBM. I don't think it has a bayonet lug, but it is 600 miles away. I also just snagged an Inland, so I will have to check it out. If either prove to be above the lamp stand class, I'll post some pics.
 
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