Post your M14 accuracy

We get caught up in modifications, but the reality is that the $399 guns from Marstar often shoot great right out of the box. First thing a guy should do before spending any money is shoot it with some decent ammo and iron sights. It might not need a dime spent on it. At the very least, establish a base line from which to judge your improvements.

angrysoldier said:
what do people expect from a 450 dollar rifle. then you will spend 1000 dollars making it shoot. its a fun gun and nothing more. my 60 year old svt 40 will do 2 moa at 100 meters. and its a garbage rifle that i refuse to spend money on. guys either by a springfield or spend money wiser.
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Smaller then a bread box. - dan
about 2 - 2.5" at 100 yards and 4" at 200. It started as a polytech that wouldn't shoot. By the way my Norinco M14 was much better quality than my Polytech... I've seen this discussed as well. I don't think all of us would agree that to "spend money wiser" means buying a springfield. Even if your Chinese M14 doesn't shoot 1 MOA, what guy doesn't like to tinker. Right?

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Well, mine was a TRW, and a tad worn. Still was fun to shoot before the government said I couldn't anymore. - dan
 
As I have posted before the stock Norcs are very, very capable rifles. Before doing anything else I would see what ammo the particular rifle likes - some will shoot amazingly well out of the box with the right ammo.

I think you can spend a fortune on these rifle but the improvement may be as cheap as an ammo switch sometimes. If you do want to spend money on a Norc ( and I have a Norc/USGI hybrid that has a value of about $2K or so ) you can get some really good groups - about 1 MOA or so with better being a rarity. For a bit more money you can get a SA M1A Loaded ( the extra money over the regular really only gets you a better barrel but a better barrel is part of the equation ) and that rifle should also be 1 MOA or so ( mine is about MOA with 168 g FGMM and a shade under with handloads -My post 7 shows some targets punched with the M1A )

Speaking as someone who HAS spent the money on the M14 platform, my advice if asked is always the same: Unless you really, really want to spend the cash, get a Norc and get a HB Remy 700 SPS bolt gun at the same time. Work up a load for both and have fun with the Norc and work towards MOA or better with the bolt gun.
 
I agree with Tomochan. I was putting money into my Norc with small increments in accuracy with each modification. Then I bought my first bolt gun, a Browning X-Bolt, which shoots consistently under 1 moa (from a cold barrel) in completely stock form. Not another cent went into my M305.
 
While I don't entirely disagree with Gman and Tomochan, it's not about the money. It is usually the path to the goal that is what it is all about. Some people like to put in work on a hobby in which they can achieve what they set out to do. Why do people rebuild hot rods(or ar's) when they can just buy a new one , because they can. We want to see our improvements in our efforts. Trial by fire!(pun intended)
 
Tomochan said:
As I have posted before the stock Norcs are very, very capable rifles. Before doing anything else I would see what ammo the particular rifle likes - some will shoot amazingly well out of the box with the right ammo.

I think you can spend a fortune on these rifle but the improvement may be as cheap as an ammo switch sometimes. If you do want to spend money on a Norc ( and I have a Norc/USGI hybrid that has a value of about $2K or so ) you can get some really good groups - about 1 MOA or so with better being a rarity. For a bit more money you can get a SA M1A Loaded ( the extra money over the regular really only gets you a better barrel but a better barrel is part of the equation ) and that rifle should also be 1 MOA or so ( mine is about MOA with 168 g FGMM and a shade under with handloads -My post 7 shows some targets punched with the M1A )

Speaking as someone who HAS spent the money on the M14 platform, my advice if asked is always the same: Unless you really, really want to spend the cash, get a Norc and get a HB Remy 700 SPS bolt gun at the same time. Work up a load for both and have fun with the Norc and work towards MOA or better with the bolt gun.
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Well said. Do some ammo testing with some handloaded match bullets. You will be surprised! :eek:

I like that idea of buy the $ 400 M14 Norc/Poly then buy yourself an SPS Varmint to shoot little groups with one of these new Xmark Pro triggers that you can turn down to a nice and sweet 3 lbs.

All good advice here from Laz and M14doctor.

Now for the naysayers...

I was invited in the Fall of 2009 to a LE shop which will remain nameless for OPSEC reasons. I delivered an M14 Clinic to these fine armorers who I will label "Master Craftsmen" (and I don't mean the Cambodian Tire or Sears moniker) ;)

They showed me their BINDERS (they keep every single target shot) of targets for their personally owned Norc M14's. I witnessed SEVERAL groups sub MOA with Fed GMM 168 gr Sierra MK's. And :eek: they were shooting with my (often hated) Chu wood stocks. All of them had the Chu wood stocks and they LOVED them. :cool: I could not believe their targets.

I cannot tell you about their range facilities, all of you WILL cry. Yes even you toughest guys out there will cry when I tell you about their range in private conversation (after a glass of Kelowna Chiraz) ;)

Then they showed me binders of targets from the bolt guns they BUILT right there in the shop. I will not say any more. :cool:

The parts room: Imagine opening a wide and deep drawer of barrel blanks, all .30 cal, stainless & chrome moly. :D I counted over 10 of them before they dragged me out of that parts room. On the way out, I read a labelled drawer: McMillan stocks.... my reaction was : heeeeerre kitty kitty kitty... :eek:

After my morning delivery, we began their afternoon tweaking session (each armorer had their OWN workbench and 2 vises). So I walked around from bench to bench while the armorers were pounding out shims, welding their gas cylinder assy's, and then I showed them how to glass bed an M14 with all it's intricacies. (read: all the ifs, ands, or buts that the manuals don't tell you ; that is when you've fxcked up)

I cannot tell you anymore due to operational security. But all I can say is that my head was spinning after walking out of the Armorer's Tech Lab at this Law Enforcement Agency. These guys can really build guns.

I truly was privileged.

So for those of you tinkering on a budget... just keep that last part in mind; "on a budget". Don't spend a poopload of money on this platform. Leave the USGI parts for Skullboy and ME!!

Necksize your brass with match bullets and watch the accuracy tweaks pay off. I was never about spending lots of $$ at my M14 Clinic lessons. ;)

Merry Chrismukkah!

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M14 accuracy

Hello,

The M14 is very accurate right out of the box. Those are the last 3 shots I did with it at 100 yards a while ago when adjusting the scope.

I used Federal 150 grains Power Shok amo. That brand of amo seems to give me good results.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/...but it will always be a keeper. Thanks All
 
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Ther ya go. :) And nice shooting!
 
Damm that'z nice shooting there partner ;)
Here is mine with some surplus Portugees that I have hidden away since I shot this group.
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But I have to be honest. This rifle has has the Doc's midus touch and also it was done with a scope on a bench in perfect weather condition's up at Poco were wind most of the time is a non-issue.
 
I haven't cried for four years. My girlfriend left me because I never showed emotion, and I think a man-sized tear built in my eye when Hungry told me of this magical place, or "Law Enforcement Agency". (I think he is here to tell us what heaven will be like)
 
All I know is I am looking very much forward to get my m14.ca scope mount and a cheek riser to find out if my poly is as accurate as I believe it to be using federal 150's.

My iron sights wander but I have put in some impressive 5 shot groups at 80 yards. Due to the lack of overall repeatability I still must remain suspect however :(

my personal non range on my property happens to be 80 yards at the moment
 
hillmanr2 said:
All I know is I am looking very much forward to get my m14.ca scope mount and a cheek riser to find out if my poly is as accurate as I believe it to be using federal 150's.
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I would make sure that you have a GREAT scope with an excellent return policy because even though I love new designs and often run out and by them this 1 looks like it's destain to fail epically. Just the fact of the barrel whip and the violent action of the bolt slamming back and forth make mounting optic's like this very shall we say unusually. Never mind the fact that it is going to be made from aluminum there is no other mounting point besides the rear sight pocket. This makes a scope on a long rail like this, frequently torquing of ones optic's. I still think they should make a barrel clamp or atleast use the side whole for added stability with a rail the big.
 
Satain said:
Damm that'z nice shooting there partner ;)
Here is mine with some surplus Portugees that I have hidden away since I shot this group.
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But I have to be honest. This rifle has has the Doc's midus touch and also it was done with a scope on a bench in perfect weather condition's up at Poco were wind most of the time is a non-issue.
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Very nice shooting there Satain !

Quite impressive the groupings you had with surplus amo !

The M305 is a very good tool indeed.

Cheers !:wave:

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