IronNoggin
CGN frequent flyer
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- Port Alberni, Vancouver Island
Potential CWD Vaccine on the horizon
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FreedomIsn'tFree
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Republic of Buffalo.
Nothing quite so sinister.
Vaccine loaded corn / oats / apples or whatever.
Easy Peasy.
Nog
So every animal will eat it and not only deer?
- Location
- Western Manitoba
I live (there) here. We had those helicopters over my house. Two days later, there were at least a dozen deer in field - we are only 4 or 5 miles from Sask border ... Had to ask myself where did that first mule deer with CWD get it from? Where these deer came from?? What was the point - busy work to make gov't departments look good??
Second deer in Manitoba with CWD also near Sask border - couple hundred miles South of here. I used to hunt Sask Zone 46 where CWD first identified - 1980's (?) - first reaction then, was a cull. Apparently did not work, then, to contain it. Neither did the cull across border in Alberta a few years later. Why would it work here, now, as a containment measure, if deer are still here??
I do not believe CWD is "new" - but I do believe it can only exist, initially, among penned animals - protected from predators and allowed to live with symptoms and spread it around - in the wild a prey animal like deer with any symptoms would be taken immediately by predators - sort of a "self healing" thing - but wait - same gov't have been sponsoring and encouraging culls of the predators - wolves, cougar, plains grizzly - what was I thinking - of course they know what they are doing!!! Is merely coincidence that CWD started in Canada around that game farm near Neilburg, Sask. and somehow Quebec has it although Ontario and Manitoba had not (Manitoba until this year - two instances). I do not think CWD infected deer or elk walked across Manitoba and Ontario to get to Quebec - is way more likely they rode in a semi hauling game animals to other farming operations. But what do I know ...
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Correct me if I am mistaken, but aren't beef cattle vaccinated for some things?
- Location
- Saskatchewan
Yes. I don't know if you exclusively eat wild meat? Most people may not realize that every store bought chicken, turkey , pig or beef animal has been vaccinated at some point in its life. Also, any animal that has been harvested for food in the "grain belt" of Canada has been consuming GMO canola that has been treated with insecticide, fungicide and herbicides. So, wild meat isn't always organic. I prefer wild meat over beef, but still enjoy a good BBqed beef steak once in the while. (I Don't really care if it has been injected with Ralgro or not.)
That is only one of many sources. For example, buddy's feeder out infront of his deer blind is also a source of transmission - it causes deer to congregate in unnatural ways and creates the perfect location for prions to build up in the environment as they get excreted via feces and urine.
My point is that you can't just blame ONE thing for this, its not like you could just shut down all the game farms and miraculously eliminate CWD...
On the Meateater TV show and Podcast they frequently talk about a guy named Doug Duren, who runs a farm in Wisconsin. It has been mentioned that Doug's beef are organic - as he can control what they eat and where they go - but the deer on his property can't be called organic as he has no control over what they eat, where they go, etc etc.
Game farms don’t help, people feeding don’t help yet conservation officers don’t do anything.
In Dryden Ontario the town bucks have it so easy they won’t drop their antlers till March.
Wild turkeys in southern Ontario have been found to have high levels of pesticides in them. CWD in Quebec didn’t appear from wild animals migrating. Town and city people think wildlife are pets, to the detriment of everything.
Prions are a curious thing.
In Dryden Ontario the town bucks have it so easy they won’t drop their antlers till March.
Wild turkeys in southern Ontario have been found to have high levels of pesticides in them. CWD in Quebec didn’t appear from wild animals migrating. Town and city people think wildlife are pets, to the detriment of everything.
Prions are a curious thing.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
No kidding - are not a "living" thing - is apparently a mutated protein (a component of living things) that has ability to affect neighbouring proteins. Can not be "killed" - can not be "disinfected". I read the sheep version - scrapies - first described in 1700's. Island of Iceland completely removed all their sheep - all of them - to eliminate scrapies - then imported more "clean" ones from New Zealand, which promptly developed scrapies. Have you heard of multiple sheep herders falling down to scrapies?? Neither have I. Does not appear, yet, to cross species boundaries. But is various specie's versions - not the same, but similar disease process - Bovine Spongiform Encephelitis (BSE) in cattle, Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD) in humans, Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) in cervids, etc. No evidence, yet, that one species gets from the other - just individual to individual, so far. From elk in Montana University pens - appears the agent might remain active up to 7 years, after being placed - is not a "fun thing" to be dealing with ...
1980's / 1990's Sask gov't documents said most presence of prions was in clear fluids - snot, spinal fluid, around brain. As per them was almost never detected in blood or red meat of infected animal. Yet, they set up a program to have hunters drop off heads of animals to be tested - not sure how to severe a head from a carcass without cutting through the spine - and therefore the spinal fluid - which I can not "clean" up or disinfect for ...
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Conservation Officers are responsible for enforcing the law, not making new ones. As long as game farms and feeding deer is legal (which they both are in most jurisdictions as far as I know) then you can't be blaming the CO's.
IIRC you CAN kill it, but not at oven cooking temperatures. You're talking like 900+f for multiple hours kinda thing.
Feeding wildlife is against the law in Ontario, which is not the point. The point is nothing good comes from it for the wildlife, some hunters and qpublic fail this very basic realization.
I’ve read that during Margaret Thatchers term culled scrapie sheep ended up in cattle feed (origins of mad cow). I’m unsure if it’s truthful.
There is a story floating around the internet about a man in New York State getting a fatal prion disease from eating squirrel brains of all things. It worth a search and if I remember correctly it came from a credible source.
I’ve read that during Margaret Thatchers term culled scrapie sheep ended up in cattle feed (origins of mad cow). I’m unsure if it’s truthful.
There is a story floating around the internet about a man in New York State getting a fatal prion disease from eating squirrel brains of all things. It worth a search and if I remember correctly it came from a credible source.
Thanks for confirming. There is indeed One In Every Crowd.
Nog
At least he's funny. I chuckled. - dan
Feeding wildlife and baiting deer are not the same thing. One could argue that they are the same thing, but legally they are distinct practices. A quick google search for "Deer baiting ontario" provides plenty of links that discuss how baiting deer is perfectly legal in Ontario.
My understanding with mad cow in the UK was that it was common practice to take dead cows, grind 'em up, and use that to fertilize crops that were then fed to cows. If that cow had Mad Cow, you could now be spreading it to your entire herd. I could be wrong on that though.
As a novel aside, my buddy who was born in the UK cannot donate blood in Canada, anyone who lived in the UK during a certain year range is ineligible to donate.
The story of the NY guy getting a prion disease is true, but I'm not sure there was conclusive evidence it actually came from eating squirrel brain. His family did report to the hospital that he had eatten squirrel brain, but I don't think there was any way to prove that as the source. Creutzfeldt-jakob disease is naturally occurring (although extremely rare), so its entirely possible that he just HAPPENED to get CJD naturally, and the squirrel brain thing could be irrelevant. I'm not sure anyone really knows for sure one way or the other with this particular case.
