powder measurers, whats your opinion?

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I`m sick of my set-up. It was the Lee 50th Anniversary kit. I really want to update the powder measurer other than the one that is in this kit. I have it set close where maybe 1 out of 30 is bang on. Sometimes it is a tad over or under. You can fine tune it, but still have to trickle. I am fussy when using the beam scale, but it sure would be a dream to be able to just go from direct charging the case to seating instead of charging the pan, weighing each charge then seating.
I looked on WSS and everything ranges from $160 up to $240. A little steep for my liking, but not sure what each one would be like. Is there such a powder measurer out there to delete the "beam scale" step???? Thanks,Darcy
 
yOU DID NOT SAY IF IT IS FOR RIF;LE OR PISTOL. If rifle, is it for general shooting or extreme accuracy?

A very good powder thrower, good enough for all but super precision, is the Redding BR30. Good cheaper throwers are the RCBS Uniflow and Lyman 55. Plenty good ebough for pistol ammo. The RCBS does not like flake powder. Lyman is fine with it.


If you are making match grade rifle ammo, the RCBS Chargemaster is what you want.
 
I reloaded for over 30 years with a 505 RCBS trickling every case and it never bothered me. I now have a Chargemaster.
 
I use an Ohaus measure, it doesn`t like stick powders such as H4831 but does an excellent job with ball powders. When i`m loading a batch of 204`s i check it at the start then do a batch of 50, check again and if it`s still the same i`m happy. I would like one of the RCBS chargemasters, just need to quite spending tne slush fund on other goodies.
 
yOU DID NOT SAY IF IT IS FOR RIF;LE OR PISTOL. If rifle, is it for general shooting or extreme accuracy?

A very good powder thrower, good enough for all but super precision, is the Redding BR30. Good cheaper throwers are the RCBS Uniflow and Lyman 55. Plenty good ebough for pistol ammo. The RCBS does not like flake powder. Lyman is fine with it.


If you are making match grade rifle ammo, the RCBS Chargemaster is what you want.
Its for rifle. I have a Savage Axis 22-250. As for accuracy, in my books...nothing is really good enough. I mostly hunt, not into competition shooting if thats what you mean. For powder I use the IMR 4895, more cylindrical. Like I had mentioned about my powder thrower: most of the time its a tad low, sometimes maybe 5/30 shells its a tad high and rarely its bang on. If it was a touch low 'Always" I`d fine tune it, but the way it is now....I can`t touch it.
Some people might say: "Just throw the charge, its close enough....whats a couple grains either way?" Well when I developed the load for this gun, 34 and 35 grains were a little big on the grouping and 34.5 was perfect. Not much room there to just guess.
 
I weigh them all,but how repeatable is the scale,I believe I have done my best to make it the best it can be by measuring each round!!
 
Its for rifle. I have a Savage Axis 22-250. As for accuracy, in my books...nothing is really good enough. I mostly hunt, not into competition shooting if thats what you mean. For powder I use the IMR 4895, more cylindrical. Like I had mentioned about my powder thrower: most of the time its a tad low, sometimes maybe 5/30 shells its a tad high and rarely its bang on. If it was a touch low 'Always" I`d fine tune it, but the way it is now....I can`t touch it.
Some people might say: "Just throw the charge, its close enough....whats a couple grains either way?" Well when I developed the load for this gun, 34 and 35 grains were a little big on the grouping and 34.5 was perfect. Not much room there to just guess.

If you get a Redding measure with a micrometer adjustment, you can generally throw right into the case for most applications until you get into "long" range. 4895, Varget and other cylindrival powders stress that statement out a bit. You could easily have .2 to .5 grain variance from charge to charge with the big stick powders. So checking on a beam is smart if you want better than that.

(Keep in mind that .25 of a grain is a bigger deal when your total charge is less than 25 grains (like in a .223) than it is in a big casing like a .308 where your charge is over 40 grains...)

CHARGEMASTER - I have one and I love it. I use it for most of the charges that I load. For my bolt guns I use Chargemaster and doublecheck every charge with a beam, and I adjust as required. (not much) Typically, I add three of four granules of Varget to maybe 2 out of 10 charges it throws. This is about .1 of a grain, and only on 2 out of 10 as I said. For my big 6.5 gun I use over 55 grains of H1000 powder which has even bigger granules, and I get about the same results as I do with charges like 46 grains of Varget.

For my AR15s, I don't bother checking any more. In an AR15 , even at 4-500 yards, there is so much to shooting that gets lost in the noise that a tenth here or there doesn't impact a whole bunch.-- but I would seriously worry about someone suggesting "what's a couple grains either way...?"

For ammo I load for National match AR that I shoot from mags at 200-300yards, I use the Redding measure and don't check anything unless a casing seems obvioulsy "fuller" or "emptier" than the rest. For ammo I single load at teh 600y line, I use Chargemaster and also don't check. Chargemaster does a better job with varget than the Redding thrower. But the Redding is FASTER and "good enough" for the short course ammo.

I think this means that for your 22-250 load of 34.5 grains, you could go straight from Chargemaster to casing with high confidence. I would even suggest that if you had a powder thrower like the redding, with a decent micrometer adjustment, you might get away without checking -- but that's a tall order to keep it within a couple tenths with a long extruded powder like 4895.

What I DISLIKE about Chargemaster was paying for it. But after throwing 500 rounds for my 308 yesterday, and hitting the bench next week to throw probably over 2000 rds.... I totally think it's worth it. I still eyeball the beam - but it's usually "bang-on" and ultimately, even with a bit of fiddling - I don't suffer from eyestrain nearly as much in long loading sessions as I did before.
 
I'm not sure you can get consistent weight charges out of a thrower, using stick powders, such as the Lyman , RCBS or Redding. Maybe a Harrell's, maybe a Quick Measure, haven't tried those yet, and they are not cheap either.
The electronic units work in a different fashion, not trying to pack it in by volume, therefore they are what may be termed inherently better than a thrower. A thrower works best with ball powders.
It's like trying to drop wooden matches into a cup and pouring them out thru a funnel, they won't drop in uniformly, they can and do bridge in the mouth of the funnel, or in the tube, that's why you get weird charges out of a thrower with stick powders, the longer the stick, the more inconsistent they get.
Either scoop & trickle into a scale pan, throw short and trickle, or use a Chargemaster style unit if you use a lot of stick powders.
 
I load mostly for rifle but do some 9mm and would recommend the RCBS Chargemaster. If you are looking to buy one, Natchez out of the US is probably your best bet.
 
the short answer... when it comes to stick powders no thrower works 100% so throw low and trickle up to charge weight.

the Lee scale be it very very accurate it also very very sensitive... if thats what your useing perhaps switch to another scale like the 5-0-5, they seem to have better dampening then the Lee.
 
I have a Lyman 1200 DPS 3. For 223 sized accuracy cases, its all double checked on a balance beam. Same as "match" bolt rifle ammo in 308win sized cases. However it is metering a charge in the same time as it takes me to verify on the beam scale so no time is lost.

Anything else is straight from the lyman to the case. Its always within a 0.1 of a gn of programmed load, 50% bang on ratio. I've weighed hundreds, so I am confident.

Chargemaster is very simmilar but a hair slower to dispense a charge. So probably a little more consistent. And isn't sensitive to other electronic interference from what I have heard. That's a big plus and a very annoying draw back of the Lyman.
 
I have three powder measures, Lyman 55. RCBS Uniflow & a very inexpensive Lee Perfect Powder Measure.

I weigh my rifle charges & have found not much difference in accuracy between the three. The Lyman & RCBS seem to handle ball & flake powders better than the Lee. However the Lee operates better with stick powders.
 
I used the RCBS Uniflow for a few years then upgraded to the Redding 3BR and never looked back (and only occasionally look to something better).

With two micrometer inserts - one for pistol or light (target) smaller rifle cartridge loads and one for standard rifle loads, this set-up does it all very accurately. It has a solid, knife-edge mechanism that easily chomps through stick powder providing very consistent and repeatable powder doses.

Good luck with your upgrade - SD
 
I used the RCBS Uniflow for a few years then upgraded to the Redding 3BR and never looked back (and only occasionally look to something better).

With two micrometer inserts - one for pistol or light (target) smaller rifle cartridge loads and one for standard rifle loads, this set-up does it all very accurately. It has a solid, knife-edge mechanism that easily chomps through stick powder providing very consistent and repeatable powder doses.

Good luck with your upgrade - SD
I am very impressed with mine as well. If I am using a ball powder all I need to do is set it up and I can just dump the charges to less than .05 grain. My scale measures to the 100th of a grain FYI. With extruded powder its generally to the tenth so I do weight that powder after dumping. I think the big thing is that the powder chamber is exposed to the hopper when your handle is down it gives it more time to settle in.
 
If you want to load accurate ammo for your 22-250 with a minimum of fuss, you can stay with your Lee thrower and switch to a ball powder. As it happens, your 4895 powder is a bit fast in a 22-250, unless you are shooting 50 gr bullets.

For 55gr and 60 gr, the better powders are H380, H414 and Win 760. These will measure perfectly straight from the thrower.
 
As stated above it's less of a thrower issue and more of a measuring stick powder by volume issue. You're always going to have varying weights since the sticks will never fill up the volume in the same way, where as things like ball powder are far more consistent when it comes to filling up a set volume.

If you want to measure stick powder the easy way you pretty much need an electronic powder trickler/scale combo like the RCBS Chargemaster which measure by weight and not volume.
 
If you want to load accurate ammo for your 22-250 with a minimum of fuss, you can stay with your Lee thrower and switch to a ball powder. As it happens, your 4895 powder is a bit fast in a 22-250, unless you are shooting 50 gr bullets.

For 55gr and 60 gr, the better powders are H380, H414 and Win 760. These will measure perfectly straight from the thrower.
Are these a common/found almost anywhere type of powder?
WIN760 as in Winchester760? Where does a guy find this powder? WSS doesn`t show it at all
 
I used the RCBS Uniflow for a few years then upgraded to the Redding 3BR and never looked back (and only occasionally look to something better).

With two micrometer inserts - one for pistol or light (target) smaller rifle cartridge loads and one for standard rifle loads, this set-up does it all very accurately. It has a solid, knife-edge mechanism that easily chomps through stick powder providing very consistent and repeatable powder doses.

Good luck with your upgrade - SD

:agree: If you're talking just the powder thrower (not the combo thrower/scale) the Redding is the Rolls Royce.
 
Seen a youtube vid today on the Lee Precision powder measurer. Someone had replied to the vid about cutting excess plastic away from the inside. I did this and it helped a whole lot! When you would turn the handle and load it up, the plastic would always hold back grains. I took an exacto knife and started to trim away. Now it throws almost exact every time.
 
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