Powder Storage?
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Powder in a wooden bedside table in my reloading room. Lock not necessary (no kids or others in my house that would get into it by mistake or curiosity).
Primers in a drawer under my reloading bench.
Note - a Detached Dwelling is 'your house' regarding the Explosives Regulations...
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2013-211/index.html
Explosives Regulations 2013
Unlicensed user
298: A user who does not hold a licence must store their propellant powder, percussion caps and black powder cartouches in a dwelling or a *storage unit and ensure that the requirements of sections 299 to 304 are met.
Note: Subsection 279(2) provides that users must store small arms cartridges in accordance with sections 280 and 281.
* Terms preceded by an asterisk are defined in section 6.
299: (1) Percussion caps must be stored in their original packaging.
Note: These Regulations do not limit the number of percussion caps that may be stored in their original packaging in a dwelling or a *storage unit.
Smokeless powder
(2) Smokeless powder must be stored in its original container or in small arms cartridges.
Black powder
(3) Black powder must be stored in its original container, in small arms cartridges or in black powder cartouches.
* Terms preceded by an asterisk are defined in section 6.
Maximum quantity
300: The maximum quantity of propellant powder that may be stored by a user at any one time under sections 301 to 303 is reduced by the quantity of any propellant powder that the user is storing under section 375 and any quantity that they are storing under section 389.
Detached dwellings
301: The maximum quantity of propellant powder that may be stored at any one time in a detached dwelling, or in a *storage unit attached to a detached dwelling, is 25 kg of which no more than 10 kg may be black powder.
* Terms preceded by an asterisk are defined in section 6.
Primers in a drawer under my reloading bench.
Note - a Detached Dwelling is 'your house' regarding the Explosives Regulations...
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2013-211/index.html
Explosives Regulations 2013
Unlicensed user
298: A user who does not hold a licence must store their propellant powder, percussion caps and black powder cartouches in a dwelling or a *storage unit and ensure that the requirements of sections 299 to 304 are met.
Note: Subsection 279(2) provides that users must store small arms cartridges in accordance with sections 280 and 281.
* Terms preceded by an asterisk are defined in section 6.
299: (1) Percussion caps must be stored in their original packaging.
Note: These Regulations do not limit the number of percussion caps that may be stored in their original packaging in a dwelling or a *storage unit.
Smokeless powder
(2) Smokeless powder must be stored in its original container or in small arms cartridges.
Black powder
(3) Black powder must be stored in its original container, in small arms cartridges or in black powder cartouches.
* Terms preceded by an asterisk are defined in section 6.
Maximum quantity
300: The maximum quantity of propellant powder that may be stored by a user at any one time under sections 301 to 303 is reduced by the quantity of any propellant powder that the user is storing under section 375 and any quantity that they are storing under section 389.
Detached dwellings
301: The maximum quantity of propellant powder that may be stored at any one time in a detached dwelling, or in a *storage unit attached to a detached dwelling, is 25 kg of which no more than 10 kg may be black powder.
* Terms preceded by an asterisk are defined in section 6.
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This exact question was just asked and fully answered here:
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...er-Storage?p=14757902&viewfull=1#post14757902
According to the regs, your chosen storage device as shown is NOT legal. You can read the above link to get to the links and find out why.
Thanks for the link
Still not seeing whats wrong with my cooler and lock? Other than maybe the type of metal the hardware is made from possibly??
Nothing wrong with it. As long as unauthorized persons (rugrats footpads and the like) don't have unrestricted access it's fine. The old regulations had a bunch of weird rules dating back to the 19th century but sanity prevailed and so just keep it away from sources of ignition and idiots.
Thanks for the link
Still not seeing whats wrong with my cooler and lock? Other than maybe the type of metal the hardware is made from possibly??
What size of powder containers are you using? I made an assumption that at 24 pounds it was 3 x 8lb kegs. If I was wrong and you are only using 1lb jugs, then sorry, it is legal as shown for storage purposes in a stand-alone dwelling.
The powder must be stored in it's original container in your house.
The container size has to do with 'other dwellings', not a single family detached dwelling (house).
Other dwellings — smokeless powder
302 (1) The maximum quantity of smokeless powder that may be stored at any one time in a dwelling other than a detached dwelling, or in a storage unit attached to a dwelling other than a detached dwelling, is
(a) 20 kg, if all the smokeless powder is in containers that hold no more than 1 kg; or
(b) 5 kg, if any of the smokeless powder is in a container that holds more than 1 kg.
The container size has to do with 'other dwellings', not a single family detached dwelling (house).
Other dwellings — smokeless powder
302 (1) The maximum quantity of smokeless powder that may be stored at any one time in a dwelling other than a detached dwelling, or in a storage unit attached to a dwelling other than a detached dwelling, is
(a) 20 kg, if all the smokeless powder is in containers that hold no more than 1 kg; or
(b) 5 kg, if any of the smokeless powder is in a container that holds more than 1 kg.
That makes it a whole lot simpler! Thanks
How is that simpler? Somehow, if you live in multi-unit made of concrete and steel, 20x1kg of powder is less dangerous than 5x1.001kg of powder?????
Well the regs used to be Max 10kg in your house, so at least they figured out that we all were not blowing up with that amount....
Have no idea their thinking behind the multi-family dwelling and container size difference.
Changes made for the 2013 Regs:
Changes to the current Regulations are being introduced to clarify the requirements for the storage for personal use of smokeless powder and black powder in private residences.
Limits are imposed on the quantities of small arms cartridges and primer that may be stored by an unlicensed person and detached residences are distinguished from multiple-unit residences.
The limits for storage in a detached private residence are changed from the current maximum of 10 kg to 20 kg of smokeless powder and 5 kg of black powder together, 25 kg of smokeless powder alone or 5 kg of black powder alone.
The limits for storage in a multiple-unit residence are changed from the current maximum of 10 kg to 20 kg of smokeless powder in containers of 1 kg or less, or 5 kg in containers holding more than 1 kg and 1 kg of black powder in containers or 3 kg total in cartridges or cartouches less any in containers.
Have no idea their thinking behind the multi-family dwelling and container size difference.
Changes made for the 2013 Regs:
Changes to the current Regulations are being introduced to clarify the requirements for the storage for personal use of smokeless powder and black powder in private residences.
Limits are imposed on the quantities of small arms cartridges and primer that may be stored by an unlicensed person and detached residences are distinguished from multiple-unit residences.
The limits for storage in a detached private residence are changed from the current maximum of 10 kg to 20 kg of smokeless powder and 5 kg of black powder together, 25 kg of smokeless powder alone or 5 kg of black powder alone.
The limits for storage in a multiple-unit residence are changed from the current maximum of 10 kg to 20 kg of smokeless powder in containers of 1 kg or less, or 5 kg in containers holding more than 1 kg and 1 kg of black powder in containers or 3 kg total in cartridges or cartouches less any in containers.
No vents would concern me. I would want some air flow to ensure it doesn't have a chance to build up pressure or get too warm if nothing else and break the powder down
Cheers
Mine are stored in the container they came in on a shelf in my reloading room. No boxes, no coolers, no repackaging, no nothing... just on the shelf. Room has a locked door to keep any unauthorized people out, but from my point of view, anyone who I allow into my house is authorized.
Purple shoulder
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- Winnipeg MB
It's funny that the regs say in a storage unit "the storage unit must be attended when it is unlocked", and most agree that means locked up when you are not there. But in a dwelling they say "People not authorized by the user must not be given unlimited access to the propellant powder, percussion caps or black powder cartouches".
One would think the wording would be more similar if they meant locked in a dwelling, but the word locked isn't used. Even if they dropped the word "unlimited" I might think the intent was locked in a dwelling.
One would think the wording would be more similar if they meant locked in a dwelling, but the word locked isn't used. Even if they dropped the word "unlimited" I might think the intent was locked in a dwelling.
Not how it works. "No access" and "locked" are different things. If something is on a shelf too high for your kids to reach, they don't have access although it isn't locked. If the thing is locked with a padlock and everyone has the key, then everyone has access although it's locked (although the access is limited). The way the law is written, as long as you do anything to restrict access, like, really anything at all, you're good, because then access isn't unlimited. Could be just closing the door to the reloading room. Actually, just verbally telling someone "I'm not giving you access to the propellant powder, percussion caps or black powder cartouches" would be sufficient.
The law has probably been written hastily by people with no experience whatsoever with propellants of any kind, and voted by a bunch of MPs who just wanted to go to a fundraising bbq in their riding. When you read it without much thinking it seems ok, but then you think about the details, most of which someone who doesn't reload can't possibly know anything about, and the whole thing seems to come from an asylum.
Purple shoulder
Regular
- Location
- Winnipeg MB
Maybe my wording was poor, but essentially we are in agreement.
