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Hello all, I have an opportunity to pick up a PPK but my knowledge is limited. It's a commercial production Walther PPK in 7.65. Appears to be in very good condition, blueing is very good. It has the brown plastic grips, and apparently was 1964ish production. Serial number is 1750xx. Any Walther guys out there able to provide any info/ ball park value on this piece? Any info is appreciated. Thx
 
I have noticed ppk's aren't getting snapped up like they used to, so it just depends how bad you want one. To me $450 for a mint one would be top end. I've had one for over 30 yrs and rarely shoot it. 32 acp will set you back about $20 a box. Most people want them for the James Bond factor Now if it was a .380 that would be a different story, but they are very rare
 
As you no-doubt know, prohibited firearms have very limited value, and their value decreases over time - which is the opposite of collectable firearms which are restricted or non-restricted. While things like K98k's, Garands, HK P7's, restricted Colt Pythons, etc. climb to unheard of levels, I would venture to say that 12.6 prohib pistols have signifigantly decreased in value since the 1990s - for the simple reason alluded to above - the people who can acquire 12.6 pistols have been able to do so for 20+ years, and they generally have long since acquired whatever they want in this category. The pool of potential buyers is small (compared to restricted firearms) and is getting smaller all the time. Eventually, if there is no substantial reform to the Firearms Act, people will hardly be able to give away prohibs. I think this is already happening in terms of some of the prohib rifle classes (an acquaintance of mine told me how there was a converted-auto M14 reciever sitting in his local shop for a couple of years. Eventually they just gave it to him, as the pool of people who were interested in it + had the licence to acquire it was... just him. Locally at least).

My point: don't pay very much for that PPK no matter how nice it is. Unless you are planning to export it to somewhere where the firearms laws don't cripple the value of these types of firearms, it has little to no value anyway. A token amount like $400 is what they go for.
 
jwillmoore said:
Arent there any PPK pistols with legal barrel ?

They may look a little odd like the Makarovs but it would save the item from being a prohib
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Epps has started re-barreling pistols I'm just not sure what types they can do. I was talking to Doug about it and he mentioned that they address the .32 ACP situation by chambering the new barrel in a wildcat of slightly different dimensions. If I understood him correctly it would be a way to turn a nice .32 12(6) into a shooter of restricted class. Anyone considering this shouldn't assume it's going to increase it's value dramatically, probably like restoring a car, you won't get back what you put into it. Also I'd argue an altered pistol has limited value to the collector.
 
Epp's can get around the .32 issue, but it is strictly a reloading proposition and honestly it just isn't worth the effort. The PP's don't look too bad with the extended barrel, but the ppk's just look like hell, with a weird caliber to boot. Unless you just absolutely had to have one, I would go with the Makarovs that Interammo is bringing in. They are available in both .380 (easy to get) and 9mm Makarov (surplus is cheap but is it corrosive?). Not to hijack, but what has been bugging me about EPP's (ARE YOU LISTENING DOUG) lately is that they have gotten in a few very nice prohibs and Doug has automatically rebarelled them without offering them up for a short time in their original condition. There may be less of us but there still are quite a few 12/6 collectors out here (rant over)
 
Short version, $300 to $400 depending on how badly you want it and how much you want to lose!

Pre-war 12(7) eligible pistols are more interesting to collectors. I don't know any collectors in Canada that are busy piling up post-war conventional PPKs.

The conversion to 380 for these 32s is a bit sketchy, I have yet to figure out how to grind the ejector so the pistol will work reliably. It is possible to make the frame cut that newer 380s have, and buy modern magazines. That is the only way I have found to be reliable...
 
Epp's has been necking the 32 down to 30 caliber, and has made some kind of arrangement with Redding (I believe) to supply dies. I don't know haw reliable this is, but then my own original ppk has shown to be somewhat finicky itself
 
A buddy of mine has exported a few collector pistols to Germany where the market is better for those. A regular post-war PPK would cost more to get to Europe than you can sell it for there, even if you picked it up for free here. Germany, for example, is full of minty PPKs at 100 Euros in the box with both mags and no buyers. Of course you can't import prohibs, and the cost, again, is higher than their value here even if you could.

Sadly, unless it's the Epps conversion, there isn't much else to be done with them. If one of the reloading companies were to take an interest, I'm sure the 30 Epps caliber would be much more popular. Otherwise, you could have two nice ones for a S&W revolver...
 
Gentlemen,

it sounds like 400 dollars is fair for a PPK, but what about those of us that can't buy prohibited? I'm going to need to find a restricted PPK..

Any ideas where i can start looking?

Thanks!

-Tony
 
Quite frankly, I am a little surprised that people are placing a value of $400 and up on a post war PPK. I have never paid more than $150 for any of mine. I would pay more than $150 for ones that were pre-war or war time production though. In fact I have purchased in the recent past, a war era 380 for $175.

Maybe its time I sold my post war ones.
 
Light Infantry said:
Quite frankly, I am a little surprised that people are placing a value of $400 and up on a post war PPK. I have never paid more than $150 for any of mine. I would pay more than $150 for ones that were pre-war or war time production though. In fact I have purchased in the recent past, a war era 380 for $175.

Maybe its time I sold my post war ones.
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The days of getting large bucks for any prohibs is now gone. The last couple of prohibs I got, I paid less then $200 for; and a couple I got for free; one of them was a PPK. The owner just didn't want to see it destroyed.

Remember, as time goes by, your not even going to be able to give prohibs away.
 
Can you guys shed some light on re-barreling prohibs?

Gentleman at a gun shop once told me you could either buy a new barrel/have one machined that's more than the 4" long and have the RCMP re-certify it as a restricted gun?
 
That's correct. I've seen some that were done like that. A buddy of mine had a Luger re-barreled. You see them on the EE here on occasion. Not sure on the prices to get it done though.
 
Light Infantry said:
Quite frankly, I am a little surprised that people are placing a value of $400 and up on a post war PPK. I have never paid more than $150 for any of mine. I would pay more than $150 for ones that were pre-war or war time production though. In fact I have purchased in the recent past, a war era 380 for $175.

Maybe its time I sold my post war ones.
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This - it's very likely a police turn in, which sold here in the late '80's for $150 when they weren't prohibited, and there was no such thing as a restricted license. Sorry, but paying $400 for a gun that is definitely going to drop in value is just crazy. The only "prohib" I'd pay money for is a prohib P7 because the vast majority weren't measured properly and can be re-classified. I know someone who converted a 32 PPK to a wildcat 30 cal that uses cut down brass, of another caliber, but really?
 
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I agree its a steep price to pay, but it was my dad's first gun back in the 40's and i'd like it to be mine as well.

The search continues! Hopefully i'll get access to the equipment exchange soon, the process said it takes a couple days.
 
I paid a lot more than 150 for a restricted ppk and its not exactly going to win first prize at a beaty contest but when you have 007 in your name you need to own one.

.380 acp and tons of issues trying to shoot it, paid to take it to a decent gunsmith and got everything smoothed out. I have not shot it since but he said it is reliable now.

With a holster and spare mags and the work done to it im closer to 7x that.
 
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