PPRA match - Sept 15-16

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PPRA Program Details
Sept 15 - 16, 2007

PPRA Sat. Sept 15 Registration 8:30 Matches Start at 9:00
Alberta Agg. 300-500-600-900 2+10
Team Match 600-- 2+10

Sunday Sept 16 9:00
Manitoba Agg. 500-600-900-1000 2+10
Team Match 900--2+10


For those that do not know, the Prairie Provincial Rifle Association is made up of the 3 Western provinces Rifle Associations (Mb, Sk and Ab) and this match is usually very well attended. My first time out shooting LR was at the PPRA in 2004 and this hooked me on LR, there were around 25 to 30 guys out on the berms for it. I used a 308 with a T6 scope that day and I considered myself winning just to hit the target once at all ranges, since I had no idea of the come ups needed back then. I was very impressed with LR and the PPRA match since in Canada, we were very lucky to get a dozen guys out to a match in benchrest (That is were my roots were back then, now I'm a LR prone guy)

The classes shot at this match are:
T/R - sling, iron sights, prone
Open F Class - any caliber, scoped, supported, prone
F Fclass - 308 with 156g or less or .223 with 81g or less, scoped, supported, prone

The SPRA, were the PPRA is shot, allows any caliber under a 50 cal to be shot and the SPRA range does go out with berms to 1200 yds. We usually have 2 or 3 guys using 338's out for matches at the SPRA. Basically, if you have a hunting rifle with a scope on it, you can shot this match. Others will help you get on the target elevation wise.

Hope to see everyone from the 3 provs out for this match and also a few new shooters. See ya' there!
 
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Keith, should be there late Friday. Had a fairly good turnout at the Palma too. Several of the regulars from here are supposedly going to Nokomis. We'll see.

Cheers, Glen
 
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Results...

In T/R

Master class - 2 shooters - match winner was Peter Jmaeff with 380-22v
EX class - 2 shooters - match winner was John Chapman with 368-17v
SS class - 3 shooters - match winner was Brian Worsley with 362-21v


In F Class

FO Class - 8 shooters - match winner was Glen Taylor with 453
FF class - 4 shooters 0 match winner was Martin Teglasi with 420

I won the Saturday Alberta Agg(300,500,600,900), beating Glen Taylor by a mere 2 points and then on Sunday, Glen won the Manitoba Agg(500,600,900,1000) and the Saskatchewan Agg (sum of the 2 days). He pounded me good Sunday by 10 points and by 8 points over the 2 days of shooting. I still managed to hold on for 2nd place Sunday and a 2nd in the grand agg.

As usual, we had a southwest wind Saturday and super clear skies, not a cloud for 2 days. Winds were more readable on Saturday and we had 4 possibles shot that day. Sunday was a fishtailing south wind (we get alot of this wind, looking at my plot sheets) with fast switches and no one shot any possibles that day in any of the classes.

19 guys from four provinces showed up, which is light for the PPRA attendance wise. We usually get around 28-30 guys for the PPRA for the last few years and back in the early 60's, we would get over 100 shooters. That was in the free ammo days and when cadets were coming out too.

Congrats to Brian Worsley as well, he made a deal with the devil (Gord Hulbert) and was shooting T/R for his very first time. Gord lent him a T/R rifle to use for the match. Brian had a few issues Sat and behind the winner by 14 points, but pulled it all together on Sun for a win in the SharpShooter class. Sunday he shot 188-16v out of a possible 200-40v. Brian should have been in the GreenShot class for this, but he would have been the only one in the class so he shot SS instead. Brian shot 362-21v out of a possible 400-80v. Pretty good for his first time with irons and a sling IMO.
 
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Glen was shooting his new 6mm-284 wildcat (shortened down to about 80 thou longer than a 6BR if I rem right) with 105g ???? and a 7mm of some sort with 180g bullets, I shot a 6-250 30 degree Imp wildcat with 105g Lapua's. There were only two 338's on line. A 338 LM with 250g SMK and a 338-416 wildcat with 250g ????. There was a 22-250 with 55g ??? , a 6x55, a 30-06 IMP with 240g SMK, a 6BR with ???? and rest where 308's. Nothing is documented, only hear say :)

Work? You must mean when target 3 stand was blown apart and we repaired it or are you talking dishes in the sink Sunday morning after the Sat BBQ??? I don't understand your question. We have paid target pullers so...
 
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There are some stock rifles but most are custom rifles, after market barrels, custom stocks, rests, pods, etc. You will have to come see yourself I guess. Some rifles cost around 1500, some around 2500, some around 4000, some around 7000, a few around 10,000 or more.... It would be the same mix at most of the LR matches, same type of rifles as you will see at the Frosty I would think. Some new, some old, some pretty, some ugly. To quote a friend who recently wrote... "it's not all about money as some are thinking. No amount of high end equipment is going to guarantee a win for anyone...at this level of competition you simply cannot buy a win. At some point, the money becomes pretty meaningless, quite honestly. When you press the trigger at the wrong time, no amount of trick, double throwdown gear is going to save you. The real benefits of quality gear comes on those days when you're doing everything right."
 
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Keith, had a blast as usual. Lots of laughs, unfortunately, not at the most appropriate times. We got pooped on by the TR gents again. Do you remember the "Shut the f**k up" from the gents next door at 1000? I must appologize again. Also, I hope the BS going on in the Clubhouse didn't keep you awake. Damn, that place is a lot of fun. Great shooting with you. Seeing as you can't get to the Frosty in Kamloops, you think you can get to our Frost on the Pumpkin in October?

Cheers, Glen

PS Martin's last name isn't Taylor, I think its Teglasi
 
Thanks for the correction Glen, now "Shut the F**K up" eh! :slap: They tell me it is me that has to button up, I guess I'm a chatter box :D I must apologize too, I will try to stop talking on the line from now on.

Id love to come out Glen for the Frosty (Oct 13-14) but I'm on call from Oct 5-18. I thought I could make the ISSF at Homestead on Sept 22, but I have to be in Regina Sept 24 so I will have to pass on the ISSF too. Looks like the PPRA was my last match of the year. Still have some 58 rounds to turn into empties so I will slide out to Nokomis Sept 29th for some LR practice. I do need it eh.

Keith
 
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Too bad Keith. I'm going to try some more things out on the new 6mm. I learned a lot at the PPRA. Found one so so load and the other did good but needs some tuning. The 284 shot great with both loads so I'm done with that 'til next year. I'll look around and see if we can find a match in the US. It's a shame, the damn snow seems to come so earlier every year.

Cheers, Glen
 
Joe, come on down!! It is, and other's tend to jump all over me for saying it, like benchrest for score shooting in the prone position. Just alot more winds between you and the target, more elevation needed to get on target vs the SR game, and yellow flags on poles way up in the air and a couple of red flags at the target butts and one at the gate. :)

I will say it before someone else does, F Class comes from LR T/R history and has nothing to do with benchrest. But, a duck is a duck. I do know the history of F Class probably better than most, trust me. I also know benchrest better than most, eh Joe :cheers:

Your 6PPC would even work great at the 300M but she will open up some at but still make it on target for you to my guess is 600 yds. A 308 or a .243 would be better. I have used my 22MR (.300" longer 6BR) out to 600 yds, super flat line but you use the whole target if you miss a 180 degree wind change. (Easy to happen once your in position and only seeing a few feet of da black meat ball) Also used my 308 with a T6 on it out to 1000 yds so any scope that has the elevation in it should be good to go.

I'm sure you have plenty that would work great for you Joe. You just have to take the time and come, and you will be welcome. It is over this year for Sask comps, but Alberta and BC are still shooting one or two more matches this year. Just check the web sites in March at http://www.saskrifle.ca/ or http://www.albertarifle.com/ for the new years schedules and plan a trip out to a few of them Joe!

Keith
 
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I would for a beginner, with a 105g VLD the 243 with a fast twist will shoot well at 1000 yds with less recoil. The 308 is great out to 800 yds even with 168g HPBT but you need 175g er's for 1000 yds and that will be more recoil. It is also easier to a 243 to get the bullet moving around or a little over 3000 fps without pressure than it is to get a 308 going a little under 3000 IMO. The 308 will out last the 243 total round count wise 2-3 fold before she opens up to non-comp (1/2 moa) level.
 
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Jay, Kieth, I'm personally going to go with the 308. I'll say that based on what my experience has been with both the 6mm and 30 cal.

While the 243 Win will do ok, I think there are better 6mm case choices as can be seen by the results. If a person is starting with a new rifle based on caliber alone, I think it's hard to beat a 308. It's not as finicky to load for, lots of good bits and pieces and meriads of tried and true combinations of readily available components. If you get in a bind for rounds, very good commercial match ammunition isn't to far away. Probably the biggest thing is, it just seems to be accurate without much fuss.

Besides, I've noticed not many points have been lost to inexperienced markers with a bigger hole in crappy target faces. I have with a 6mm, more times than I care to remember. So can the Winfields.

If recoil is a problem and the gun is set up specifically for F Class, a bit of weight can moderate it somewhat. Nowdays, if you know the right dealer, you can get one of the Savage model 12 F Class guns and be right there with the rest of us. I've seen this happen. Having said that, I also know several shooters doing well with Rem's, Rugers and Winchesters too.
I know there's a significant list of parameters used to decide, but I think all things considered, a 308 is the way to go. Also, F Class "F" is set up to go with a 308 right out of the box. With a 6mm your in F "O" like it or not.

Just my opinion and as always, subject to my preferences.

Cheers, Glen
 
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Jay, one thing I learned years ago is; it's ok to get a bit of feed back but don't let opinions and stuff you read influence your decisions. If you want to try it, shoot it. At the very least, you'll satisfy your own curiosity. Every now and then you'll be surprised by what happens. Especially with a 6mm.

Cheers, Glen
 
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