Practicing my reload skills for CQB
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Bolivar
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Just be careful that you don't train that way so much that you always drop a mag after one shot. Sounds dumb maybe but muscle memory is a powerful thing. I've heard of professional shooters doing similar because they train so much a certain way.
However, nice slick change. You seem to have it down. I do like how your practice includes firing after the reload. Tim K preaches this.
However, nice slick change. You seem to have it down. I do like how your practice includes firing after the reload. Tim K preaches this.
Thanks for the pointers, I agree with the muscle memory theory and I switch things up a bit (from 1-5 rounds).
I just picked up a BAD lever so after years of doing it one way i have to learn something new LOL
Yea, that's a good point too... Have a buddy load your mags too. Random number of rounds, maybe even throw some dummy rounds to get practice of malfunction training too.
Mauser GDog
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Thats a good one. Good practice and fun.
Thanks! Always fun to train with a friend too, but it keeps you on your toes!
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Henry The Yellow Dart
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This is not a major issue unless your mind is not engaged in the drill you're performing. Shooters often practice 1 reload 1 or 1 reload 2 with both rifles and pistols without issue. Let's face it, if you don't have a lot of ammo to train with you'll have to set up stoppages with few rounds.
Bolivar
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I agree with you on the ammo cost. I actually do my mag change practice in a dry fire scenario at home for that same reason.
My point is that if you train to do a certain thing a certain way enough times you fall back on that same training during stressful situations (like a match say). Part of the idea of training is to make responses automatic so you don't have to slow down an think during a match or drill, you just do what needs to be done subconsciously.
For example I've heard of police being drilled to draw quickly, and fire a double tap. They then re-holster and repeat. During an actual shooting incident, they did the same thing. Fire two shots then re-holster, regardless of the status of the threat. They fell back on their their training which in this case an an unintended and negative side effect.
Now I am not saying the OP was going to repeat and repeat to the point he automatically drop a mag after one shot. I assume he has to pay for his own ammo. Just pointing out something that came to mind.
My point is that if you train to do a certain thing a certain way enough times you fall back on that same training during stressful situations (like a match say). Part of the idea of training is to make responses automatic so you don't have to slow down an think during a match or drill, you just do what needs to be done subconsciously.
For example I've heard of police being drilled to draw quickly, and fire a double tap. They then re-holster and repeat. During an actual shooting incident, they did the same thing. Fire two shots then re-holster, regardless of the status of the threat. They fell back on their their training which in this case an an unintended and negative side effect.
Now I am not saying the OP was going to repeat and repeat to the point he automatically drop a mag after one shot. I assume he has to pay for his own ammo. Just pointing out something that came to mind.
Bolivar
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Nice reloads.
Is it not good to get into the habbit of checking the chamber before reloading to confirm its empty/clear though? Maybe I've been watching too much Costa
In a speed game you should not have to IMO. You can feel/hear when the BCG locks to the rear. Why loose a second?
It's not like it's a game breaker if you do but if you can save that second, why not?
I think also we get to cheat a little bit too, because we can subconsciously count the 5 rounds out with little thought... versus having to worry about the state of your gun with a 30 or even 60 round mag... I think with the higher capacities, you can't possibly run and gun and count your rounds, keep track of time, etc...
Henry The Yellow Dart
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It's not necessarily a bad idea to chamber check. Being a lefty it's pretty convenient because I I don't have to cant the rifle. An experienced shooter would know what a bolt locking would feel like, but it could also be another stoppage and you may or may not be able to tell depending on kit or how much stress you're under.
I would have to agree with being able to guage five rounds most of the time. You generally know what the matches are going to be and have your kit/mags arranged for the stages. There is some gaming involved. I don't mean that negatively of course, it's just the nature of the matches.
There is value in practising unknown round counts. Heck, you don't even need a friend with you (though we all know it's always better to have some keep you on your toes). You can fill all your mags randomly, close your eyes, shuffle them on the table and put them away in your rig. Works pretty well.
I would have to agree with being able to guage five rounds most of the time. You generally know what the matches are going to be and have your kit/mags arranged for the stages. There is some gaming involved. I don't mean that negatively of course, it's just the nature of the matches.
There is value in practising unknown round counts. Heck, you don't even need a friend with you (though we all know it's always better to have some keep you on your toes). You can fill all your mags randomly, close your eyes, shuffle them on the table and put them away in your rig. Works pretty well.
Bolivar
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All good points.
Yes, as you run a CofF over and over you are going to get accoustomed to it and have a pretty good idea of when you should expect to change mags/run dry. With ORA CQB, if everybody else is changing their mag you probably should to.
As for checking the chamber, as I said before, can't hurt. But if you feel/hear the BCG lock to the rear you should know to drop the mag. If you get a stoppage without the BCG locking, then you will probably automatically check the chamber to start assessing WTF is wrong.
BTW HTYD-that is a really great handle
Yes, as you run a CofF over and over you are going to get accoustomed to it and have a pretty good idea of when you should expect to change mags/run dry. With ORA CQB, if everybody else is changing their mag you probably should to.
As for checking the chamber, as I said before, can't hurt. But if you feel/hear the BCG lock to the rear you should know to drop the mag. If you get a stoppage without the BCG locking, then you will probably automatically check the chamber to start assessing WTF is wrong.
BTW HTYD-that is a really great handle
Nice reloads.
Is it not good to get into the habbit of checking the chamber before reloading to confirm its empty/clear though? Maybe I've been watching too much Costa
With a proper capacity mag on a 2-way range sure, why not. If I can count 5 rounds I don't see a need. I only check that it's clear before I put the rifle down but then again I do that with all firearms.
Henry The Yellow Dart
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All good points.
Yes, as you run a CofF over and over you are going to get accoustomed to it and have a pretty good idea of when you should expect to change mags/run dry. With ORA CQB, if everybody else is changing their mag you probably should to.
As for checking the chamber, as I said before, can't hurt. But if you feel/hear the BCG lock to the rear you should know to drop the mag. If you get a stoppage without the BCG locking, then you will probably automatically check the chamber to start assessing WTF is wrong.
BTW HTYD-that is a really great handle
Ha! Thanks
I remember on my BMQ (and I believe they're still teaching from the same PAM today) going through C7 lectures. The whole "firing, firing weapons STOPS!" and the IA for everything was "cant and look". Which is great, but with a failure to fire or "bolt fully forward" stoppage you wouldn't need to anyway. The click of the trigger tells you everything your hands and mind need to know, that you need to tap rack bang...or am I completely out to lunch because even today I can't convince some people that makes sense.
