Precision and Target Rifles

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Scanning the Precision and Target Rifle section in the EE, it seems like more and more sporter weight hunting rifles are showing up in this part of the EE. Even though there is a sticky describing what rifles are to be listed in this section, it seems that people's ideas of what constitutes a Precision or Target rifles seems to vary a great deal.
 
Some people post "builds" when they install a new scope or bipod on a factory rifle....Some peoples opinions vary greatly from mine I guess.....
 
i hear once u shoot paper its a target rifle... better post my tikka t3 lite in the precission sections, wouldnt want it to get lost in that pesky hunting section
 
Perhaps , there needs to be a new category added to the form . So those who have customized/sporterized factory rifles can post information.
 
Perhaps , there needs to be a new category added to the form . So those who have customized/sporterized factory rifles can post information.
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Customized or not, if they are still hunting/sporting rifles, they still belong in the hunting/sporting forum or in the hunting/sporting section of the EE. And from what I have seen, a good number of the rifles listed in the Precision forum, and the Precision/ Target Rifle section of the EE are totally stock factory hunting/sporting rifles.
 
I might get sh@t on for this, but here I go. There is even a guy talking about his cancer in the precision rifles forum. His post has nothing to do with guns. It is to bad and I wouldn't want to be in his shoes and I feel for the guy.
 
Maybe we could also have a tactical rifle forum for a lot of the tactical guys they seem to be posting in this forum cause there is no where else to post.

There was a thread last year about what is considered a precision rifle and someone called me a gun snob lol.
 
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The ONLY problem with the Precision Rifle section is new members not taking the time to use the search. That said how can you blame someone if they are unfamiliar with the tools and etiquette of the forum. Most of us prob started with a dumb question or two that could have been answered using the search function or just going through the old posts.

As far as off topic posts go, all of us do it, after all what is "on topic"? I post off topic questions related to reloading. That should go in the reloading section by the rigid standards some seem to be proposing. I'll ask a question about seating depth here because altough it is reated to reloading it fits because of application. Also I "know" the members who post here and can better evaluate their advice. Finally, if a long time member wants to talk about his dog (or whatever) what the hell. If it was just talk about some narrow definition of the Precision Rifle it might get dull fast.
 
So playing the devil's advocate here. Lets say I have a hunting rifle that shoots 1/2 moa.
It is a rifle without sights. Is 1/2 moa precision or not? Now I put said rifle into one of the fancy stocks and put a nice bolt knob on along with a target scope. Does that make it precision?It is still a hunting based rifle . Where do we draw the line at, expense, looks, color?
Precision is the placement of the bullet on target on call or within reason for the conditions when shot. If the hunting rifle can keep up to the high end so called precision rifle, why is your high end rifle a precision rig, because it is higher priced, looks better, it's heavier, it's the newest fanciest thing on the block?
As far as I can see only one thing makes a precision rifle and that's repeatable accuracy. The looks don't matter a damn.
Most times it will be the nut behind the butt that makes it all work.
Flame away folks.
 
delta1 said:
So playing the devil's advocate here. Lets say I have a hunting rifle that shoots 1/2 moa.
It is a rifle without sights. Is 1/2 moa precision or not? Now I put said rifle into one of the fancy stocks and put a nice bolt knob on along with a target scope. Does that make it precision?It is still a hunting based rifle . Where do we draw the line at, expense, looks, color?
Precision is the placement of the bullet on target on call or within reason for the conditions when shot. If the hunting rifle can keep up to the high end so called precision rifle, why is your high end rifle a precision rig, because it is higher priced, looks better, it's heavier, it's the newest fanciest thing on the block?
As far as I can see only one thing makes a precision rifle and that's repeatable accuracy. The looks don't matter a damn.
Most times it will be the nut behind the butt that makes it all work.
Flame away folks.
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Well put sir!
 
Sometimes I post here to draw different opinions from people who have greater experince with true accuracy in shootiung, rifle building and reloadng. I can apply what I learn here to my custom rig AND hunting rifles.
 
Perhaps this forum should just be called Precision Rifle Shooting instead of Precision Rifle. That might line up a little better with how it's being used anyway.
 
Delta1 - Agree 100% if it shoots 1/2 MOA or better on a consistent basis, it's "precision." Shape / make / cost don't mean much. I suspect that many of the "precision" rigs we see in this thread with heavy barrels / tactical mags and bolt knobs...are "precision" only in the mind of the owner.
 
So playing the devil's advocate here. Lets say I have a hunting rifle that shoots 1/2 moa.
It is a rifle without sights. Is 1/2 moa precision or not? Now I put said rifle into one of the fancy stocks and put a nice bolt knob on along with a target scope. Does that make it precision?It is still a hunting based rifle . Where do we draw the line at, expense, looks, color?
Precision is the placement of the bullet on target on call or within reason for the conditions when shot. If the hunting rifle can keep up to the high end so called precision rifle, why is your high end rifle a precision rig, because it is higher priced, looks better, it's heavier, it's the newest fanciest thing on the block?
As far as I can see only one thing makes a precision rifle and that's repeatable accuracy. The looks don't matter a damn.
Most times it will be the nut behind the butt that makes it all work.
Flame away folks.
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A couple of thoughts...If it has a heavy barrel, then I would assume that the rifle is not a hunting rilfe, because it's too heavy to carry around all day like a hunting rifle. If it's using a hunting barrel as opposed to a heavy precision barrel, then it probably can't keep up to the precision barrel during a full day of shooting. We're not talking 3 shot groups either.
 
Terry Perkins said:
A couple of thoughts...If it has a heavy barrel, then I would assume that the rifle is not a hunting rilfe, because it's too heavy to carry around all day like a hunting rifle. If it's using a hunting barrel as opposed to a heavy precision barrel, then it probably can't keep up to the precision barrel during a full day of shooting. We're not talking 3 shot groups either.
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That would make it a precision varmint hunting rifle :stirthepot2:
so it still fits both forums

So is a benchrest rifle for shooting groups or for shooting hunter benchrest for score targets?

I am with you guys though, but as in the past you just have to weed through the tall grass to find what your looking for, does a remington 40x 22lr qualify as a precision rifle or a rimfire? Everyones opinion varies.........
 
Terry Perkins said:
A couple of thoughts...If it has a heavy barrel, then I would assume that the rifle is not a hunting rilfe, because it's too heavy to carry around all day like a hunting rifle. If it's using a hunting barrel as opposed to a heavy precision barrel, then it probably can't keep up to the precision barrel during a full day of shooting. We're not talking 3 shot groups either.
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THIS

Precision target shooting "usually" means Heavy Barrel in my book and a minimum of 5 shots grouping...

And no I don't have a 1/2MOA hunting rifle:cool:But I will like to try one:D
 
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