Precision Shooting Reality
- Thread starter JEC
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Yes and that's at 25 yds, lol.
You won't hear me bragging about my marksmanship skills anytime soon.
I haven't had an opportunity to shoot all this winter as the military was using our range for training, but today was the last day so I stopped there to write a list of materials we need for a spring clean up and decided to do some quick shooting with my 700 LVSF in .223
I think I hit about 7 out of 10 shots offhand at the 250 yard gong, and about the same at the 350 yard gong from prone, resting on my elbows. Made a decent group at 350 with some of the shots but others were way out.....
70% is pretty crappy!!! Rusty shooting skills!
I haven't had an opportunity to shoot all this winter as the military was using our range for training, but today was the last day so I stopped there to write a list of materials we need for a spring clean up and decided to do some quick shooting with my 700 LVSF in .223
I think I hit about 7 out of 10 shots offhand at the 250 yard gong, and about the same at the 350 yard gong from prone, resting on my elbows. Made a decent group at 350 with some of the shots but others were way out.....
70% is pretty crappy!!! Rusty shooting skills!
At 100 yards I've had a few 1/2 MOA groups. But I cannot always do this on any given day with any given regularity. The days (theres good days and bad days) when I'm getting .5s and .6s I go home really happy (it don't take much). Often, with my favourite loads, I'm around the 0.75 MOA and sometimes above.
A 1 MOA 5 shot dont look as pretty as a 1/2 MOA group thats for sure.
Unfortunately I must go to the wrong range. Whenever I take a look at some of the other guys targets in the hope of making myself feel more competent they always seem to have tiny little groups.
EDIT: Just a tip, I started shooting larger groups at 300 yards to fill in the spaces between the holes. For some reason a 20 shot MOA group at 300 makes me feel better than a 5 shot 0.75 group at 100.
). Often, with my favourite loads, I'm around the 0.75 MOA and sometimes above. A 1 MOA 5 shot dont look as pretty as a 1/2 MOA group thats for sure.
Unfortunately I must go to the wrong range. Whenever I take a look at some of the other guys targets in the hope of making myself feel more competent they always seem to have tiny little groups.
EDIT: Just a tip, I started shooting larger groups at 300 yards to fill in the spaces between the holes. For some reason a 20 shot MOA group at 300 makes me feel better than a 5 shot 0.75 group at 100.
Precision Shooting to me, is the ability to achieve a desired objective (tiny groups,Large Game clean kill zone,Clay Birds,Varmints,V bulls, whatever) consistently and confidently on a regular basis when needed.
Everyone will have their own personal objective and will be at differing levels in their process to reach their achievements .
Encouragement is great , but personal satisfaction is greater still.
Have a goal in skillset development.Improve your mechanical components as needed and afforded.
Practice with an objective,have fun and Practice some more.
JM2C
Gord O
Everyone will have their own personal objective and will be at differing levels in their process to reach their achievements .
Encouragement is great , but personal satisfaction is greater still.
Have a goal in skillset development.Improve your mechanical components as needed and afforded.
Practice with an objective,have fun and Practice some more.
JM2C
Gord O
I stand by
what I say in that those that brag about there shooting abilities and fail to prove it in competition or back up there claims do not matter to me.
I shoot benchrest and I will be the first to say I do not always put them in the 1's or 2's with a FULL BLOWN CUSTOM BR build. I have a hard time keeping them in the low 3's at 100 and struggle to shoot under .75 of an inch at 200.
So how can they do that with there Savage, Remington, Winchester, Tikka etc etc?
Yes some accurized factory rifles are capable of shooting but NOT and I SAY NOT to the consistency of using aftermarket parts. That still does not guarantee it or you will shoot.
CBY
what I say in that those that brag about there shooting abilities and fail to prove it in competition or back up there claims do not matter to me.
I shoot benchrest and I will be the first to say I do not always put them in the 1's or 2's with a FULL BLOWN CUSTOM BR build. I have a hard time keeping them in the low 3's at 100 and struggle to shoot under .75 of an inch at 200.
So how can they do that with there Savage, Remington, Winchester, Tikka etc etc?
Yes some accurized factory rifles are capable of shooting but NOT and I SAY NOT to the consistency of using aftermarket parts. That still does not guarantee it or you will shoot.
CBY
What you say about bench guns is true, even with guns capable on their own of shooting these groups all day long, the human and environmental factor prevents the consistency.
Most any factory gun when taken to the range and shot enough will eventually put out a few tight groups. Sometimes when this tiny group happens it manifests itself in some shooters minds until it is a larger than life legend, they ignore everything else the gun has shot and focus solely on those few groups that they save and obsess over. I've seen these guys come to a benchrest match and look at some of the groups shot there, look at each other and say my 22-250 will shoot better than that, sometimes they 'll show you the wallet groups they carry around to prove it. They show up at a match with said annointed rifle, find out that the smallest group doesn't win the match, somehow the stars aren't lining up for even one tiny group anyway, let alone going to shoot five 5 shot groups in a row under a quarter inch or smaller to be competitive. That's when they begin to realize what accurate guns and competent shooters are.
Reach out and touch those gophers
I totally agree with the above quote. A lot of competition shooters, or should I say those who aspire to be competition shooters, seem to get the idea that the only accurate rifles are the ones that they spend thousands of dollars on. While custom equipment makes it easier it don't compensate for skills such as load development, reading the wind and, following through on the shot and blocking out the activity around them.
I have no aspirations to be a competitive shooter and only compete with myself to do the best I can with what I have at my disposal. As a long range hunter for many years I have been able to choose my shots and not shooting if the wind is not in my favor or the animal was not presenting a good shot. I have tuned many stock factory rifles, mostly Remingtons in 7mm08, to achieve my goal of sub MOA with enough energy to kill a moose at 600 yards. I Just sold my Rem 700 V to one of my best friends as my health no longer permits big game hunting. While the Jewell trigger I installed made it easier to get off the shot I found it hard to better the sub 1/4 inch groups that it shot while stock. I could consistently shoot sub .75 MOA groups, with multiple loads, whether from the bench, bi-pod or resting on a bag over the hood of my truck.
My passion now is to be consistent at shooting gophers to 500 yards as efficiently as possible. While it is possible to tune factory rifles to shoot accurately enough I have become increasingly aware of the design deficiencies in these cartridges and factory rifles. While the 204 Ruger is an awesome cartridge I found it difficult to develop accurate loads with the 32 grain V-maxes that they originally developed using 26" barrels with 1-12 twist barrels. Going to faster twist for the heavier bullets still presents a challenge in a 24" barrel and a magazine designed for 2.6" COL. I decided to develop my own wildcat that I call the 20EXTREME. I put together the following spreadsheet showing the results of my load development. During development I used two different barrels, nine different bullets, four different powders, six different cases and shot in all extremes of weather. The only constant was the shooter who preferred to go to the range when no one else was there.
While it is difficult to follow the spreadsheet, as presented on this forum, I think that you will get the point. I do have all of the targets for the skeptics that want to check for powder burns. I have yet to shoot a 300 yard target over 1/2 MOA and that 500 yard gopher still still hasn't presented itself but a lot of his kin wish they would have been over 350 yards from the muzzle.
LOAD DEVELOPMENT DATA
Warning: Bullet selections and COL are specific, and loads are not valid with substitution of
different bullets of the same weight. Variations in bullet length will alter net case capacity,
pressure and velocity. Primer selection is specific and primer types are not interchangeable.
These are maximum loads in my firearms and may easily be excessive in others. All loads should
be reduced by 10%, and developed following safe handloading practices as represented in
established reloading manuals produced by component manufactures. Presentation of these
loads does not constitute a solicitation for their use, not a recommendation.
Cartridge: 20 EXTREME N = NEW BRASS FL = FULL LENGTH SIZE BRASS
Rifle: CZ 527 V Scope: LEUPOLD 6.5-20x40 VHR WIN L = WINCHESTER LIGHT BRASS (UNDER 90.5 GRAINS)
Barrel: PacNor SS SUPER MATCH 24" Max COL: 2.2" WIN AL = WINCHESTER BRASS (90.5 - 90.9 GRAINS)
Max case length: 1.585" Reloading Dies: HORNADY CUSTOM WIN AH = WINCHESTER BRASS (91.0 - 91.5 GRAINS)
note: c= compressed load Group Distance: 100 yards WIN H = WINCHESTER HEAVY BRASS (OVER 91,5 GRAINS)
Red * = selected load Red = maximum load REM = REMINGTON FB = FREEBORE F = FULL CASE
Bullet Type Bullet Length Length to C.O.L. FB Case Temp POWDER PRIMER MV fps ES SD GROUP COMMENTS
Weight to lands comparator N/FL oC TYPE GRAINS LOT# 5 SHOT
V-MAX 40 2.072" 1.680" 2.040" 0.032" REM N H4895 22 * FAST REM 7 1/2 3619 35.88 12.08 0.46" 10 SHOTS 0.55" ZERO STRETCH
V-MAX 40 2.072" 1.680" 2.040 REM N 20 H4895 22 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3549 28.18 10.8 0.57" GOOD ZERO CASE STRETCH
V-MAX 40 2.072" 1.680" 2.040 REM N 20 H4895 21.8 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3533 92.93 32.67 1.06" 1 FLYER
WIN L/FL 15 H4895 21.3 REM 7 1/2 3454 50.72 19.81 0.47 WIND 15-20
WIN L 15 H4895 21.2 REM 7 1/2 3450 46.51 20.39 0.47" WIND 15-20 1 FLYER
WIN AH H4895 21.3 REM 7 1/2 3596 57.78 22.47 1.00" 1 FLYER
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.3 REM 7 1/2 3610 47.81 17.2 0.48" WIND 20-30
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.4 * REM 7 1/2 3643 33.88 13.61 0.30" WIND 20-30 1-12 TWIST
WIN L/FL 15 RL10X 20.4 * REM 7 1/2 N/A N/A N/A 0.58" WIND 15-20 1-11"TWIST
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3642 68.75 27.31 0.55" WIND 20-30 1 FLYER
WIN AH 15 RL10X 20.4 REM 7 1/2 N/A N/A N/A 0.57" 1-11" TWIST
WIN 10 RL10X 20.3 REM 7 1/2 3549 119.4 55.5 0.45" 50 YDS; FB O.O42
WIN 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3579 49.25 19.86 0.37" 50 YDS; FB O.O42
1.662" 2.022" 0.050" WIN 10 RL10X 20.7 F REM 7 1/2 3663 67.1 28.32 0.40" GOOD GROUP
1.662" 2.022" WIN 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3609 95.58 34.97 0.82
1.662" 2.022" LAPUA 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3586 42.82 15.95 0.67 BLEW PRIMER
TOTAL 16 GROUPS AVERAGE SIZE 0.514" 85 ROUNDS
NOS BT 40 2.082" 1.702" 2.052" 0.030" WIN L 10 RL10X 20.4 REM 7 1/2 3567 47.1 22.31 0.58" WIND 20-30 1-12"TWIST
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3617 53.74 22.18 0.39" WIND 20-30 1-12"TWIST
WIN 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3621 36.51 18.38 0.55" 50 YDS
WIN 10 RL10X 20.3 REM 7 1/2 3567 105.4 39.74 0.55" ?????
TOTAL 4 GROUPS AVERAGE SIZE 0.518" 20 ROUNDS
SRA BK 39 2.115" 1.698 2.065" 0.050" WIN 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3668 73.37 33.85 0.48" 50 YDS
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.4 REM 7 1/2 3590 9.83 3.593 0.98" ?WIND 20-30
WIN L 15 H4895 21.2 * REM 7 1/2 3414 49 19.24 0.52" WIND 15-20
WIN L 15 H4895 21.3 REM 7 1/2 3463 109.7 41.99 0.52" WIND 15-20
WIN AL 12 H4895 21 REM 7 1/2 0.65" WIND 15 KPH
WIN AL 12 H4895 21.1 REM 7 1/2 0.95" WIND 15 KPH
WIN AL 12 H4895 21.2 * REM 7 1/2 0.80" 1 FLYER - 4 @ 0.39"
WIN AL 12 H4895 21.3 REM 7 1/2 0.95" WIND 15 KPH
WIN AL 12 H4895 21.4 F REM 7 1/2 0.79" WIND 15 KPH
WIN AL H4895 21.5C REM 7 1/2 TRY 1-11 TWIST
TOTAL 9 GROUPS AVERAGE SIZE 0.68" 45 ROUNDS
V-MAX 32 2.084" 1.665" 2.035" 0.049" WIN 10 RL10X 21.5 FAST REM 7 1/2 3896 4.58 0.34" 50 YDS
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.5 FAST REM 7 1/2 3898 19 0.33 GOOD GROUP;WIND 20-30
WIN 10 RL10X 21.5 FAST REM 7 1/2 3900 0.37" GOOD GROUP;WIND 20-30
LAPUA 10 RL10X 21.5 FAST REM 7 1/2 3848 91.01 37.1 1.0" 0.55" W/O 1 FLYER
LAPUA 10 RL10X 21.7 FAST REM 7 1/2 3891 64.77 26.89 0.96" CRAP BRASS BLEW PRIMER
LAPUA 10 RL10X 21.9 F FAST REM 7 1/2 3922 65.65 25.94 0.76 PRIMERS OK
WIN AH 17 RL10X 21.3 #75153 REM 7 1/2 3934 49.72 20.44 0.70" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 17 RL10X 21.3 #75107 REM 7 1/2 3903 61.67 26.03 1 CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 17 RL10X 21.4 #75153 REM 7 1/2 3989 36.28 16.68 0.67 CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 17 RL10X 21.4 #75107 REM 7 1/2 3919 53.32 25.14 0.94 CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH RL10X 21.4 #75153 REM 7 1/2 3938 52.37 27.38 0.38" GOOD GROUP;WIND 15
WIN L 17 RL10X 21.5 #75153 REM 7 1/2 3983 36.88 14.14 0.55" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN L 19 RL10X 21.5 #75107 REM 7 1/2 3965 50.67 21.73 0.69" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.5 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3850 78.93 36.34 0.58" OK
WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.6 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3894 108.7 42.91 0.99" WIND 15
WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.7 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3932 67.65 28.17 0.92" WIND 15; 2 FLYERS??
WIN 10 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3819 65.26 24.32 0.37" 50 YDS
WIN 10 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3873 63.15 26.95 0.57"
WIN 10 H322 22.6 REM 7 1/2 3858 73.22 29.95 0.40" 50 YDS
WIN AH 15 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3850 45.71 18.96 0.65" WIND 15
WIN H 16 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3882 82.89 31.16 0.75"
WIN H 16 H322 22.5 * REM 7 1/2 3914 48.1 20.26 0.38 GOOD 0.23" W/O FLYER
WIN AH 17 H322 22.3 ??? REM 7 1/2 3868 51.73 19.18 1.10" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 17 H322 22.4 ??? REM 7 1/2 3906 73.16 30.16 0.98" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH ?? H322 22.5 NEW LOT REM 7 1/2 3980 15.47 8.24 1.00" TARGET MOVING IN WIND
WIN AH 16 H322 22.5 ??? REM 7 1/2 4016 86.61 31.57 0.55" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 19 H322 22.5 ??? REM 7 1/2 4037 79.07 30.09 0.44" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 18 H322 22.5 ??? REM 7 1/2 4014 42.42 16.24 5 SHOTS 12 SHOT GROUP 0.764"
WIN AH 18 RL10X 21.5 ??? REM 7 1/2 4018 44.02 31.14 2 SHOTS 8 SHOTS 0.450"
SRA BK 32 WIN AH 18 H322 22.4 ??? REM 7 1/2 4005 121.7 47.5 5 SHOTS WINDY; CHRONY LED 1-11"
V-MAX 32 2.084" 1.665" 2.035" 0.049 WIN L/FL 12 H4895 21.9 ??? REM 7 1/2 3649 14.53 6.092 0.70" LOW PRESSURE
WIN L/FL 12 H4895 22.1 ??? REM 7 1/2 3694 35.92 15.67 0.60"
WIN L/FL 12 H4895 22.? ??? REM 7 1/2 3724 117.6 15.67 0.43" 4 SHOTS 0.160" - 1 FLYER
WIN AH H4895 22.0 * ??? REM 7 1/2 3775 34.02 14.49 0.39" Different lot?? GOOD LOAD
WIN AH H4350 22 REM 7 1/2 3113 85.93 34.18 0.67" GOOD SLOW LOAD
LAPUA 26 H4895 22 #4597 REM 7 1/2 3683 32.5 13.06 0.63" INDOOR 3732
LAPUA 26 H4895 22.1 #4597 REM 7 1/2 3628 25.78 9.89 0.68" GOOD GROUP; ONE FLYER
LAPUA H4895 22 ?? REM 7 1/2 ? ? ? 0.624 3 SHOTS @ 300 YDS
LAPUA H4895 22 ?? REM 7 1/2 3747 77.5 35.07 0.71" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM 22 H4895 22.5 ?? REM 7 1/2 3633 73.93 27.51 0.68" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM 22 H 4895 22.6 ?? REM 7 1/2 3708 73.35 27.83 0.88" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM 22 H4895 22.7 ?? REM 7 1/2 3696 98.08 28.03 0.73" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM H4895 22.6 * ?? REM 7 1/2 3752 94.55 29.82 1.24" 10 SHOTS/1FLYER OVER1"
REM 10 BMARK 24 ?? REM 7 1/2 3975 46.79 26 0.8 3 SHOTS - 1 FLYER
WIN H 16 BMARK 23.1 ?? REM 7 1/2 3919 71.08 31.17 0.78" OK
WIN H 16 BMARK 23.2 ?? REM 7 1/2 3932 44.2 27.44 0.75" GOOD LOAD
WIN H 16 BMARK 23.3 ?? REM 7 1/2 3961 51.89 27.38 0.77" GOOD
LAPUA 10 BMARK 23.3 ?? REM 7 1/2 3848 63.3 31.05 0.85" OK -1 FLYER
LAPUA 10 BMARK 23.6 F ?? REM 7 1/2 3929 86.68 41.62 1.02" OVER 1"
NORMA 10 BMARK 23.6 ?? REM 7 1/2 3975 72.2 25.01 0.56" GOOD LOAD
NORMA 10 BMARK 23.7 ?? REM 7 1/2 3970 52 20.6 0.55" GOOD LOAD
NORMA 10 BMARK 23.8F ?? REM 7 1/2 4005 66.58 26.85 0.43 AWESOME HI VELOCITY
WIN AH 19 TAC 24.5 REM 7 1/2 4138 122.2 46.26 0.92" GOOD - 1 FLYER
WIN AH 19 H4198 20 FAST REM 7 1/2 4093 43.65 19.41 0.99" CHRONY LED 1-11" TWIST
WIN 23 H4198 20 REM 7 1/2 4014 72.16 28.57 1.00" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.1 REM 7 1/2 4090 81.01 37.98 0.74" CHRONY LED 1-11" TWIST
WIN 23 H4198 20.1 REM 7 1/2 4019 34.43 12.6 0.70" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN 23 H4198 20.2 REM 7 1/2 4044 74.5 37.93 0.70" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.3 REM 7 1/2 4085 13.6 6.48 0.75" 4 @ O.354"- 1 FLYER @4247
WIN 23 H4198 20.3 REM 7 1/2 4048 29.38 11.78 0.475" RE-CHECK THESE 2 LOADS
WIN 23 H4198 20.4 REM 7 1/2 4054 53.44 21.04 0.75" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.5 REM 7 1/2 4115 48.74 18.79 0.90" 4@0.40" - 1FLYER
WIN 23 H4198 20.5 REM 7 1/2 4108 75.87 32.28 1.12" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.6 * REM 7 1/2 4125 34.98 14.06 0.22" BEST GROUP
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.7 REM 7 1/2 4165 38.24 14.83 0.60" OK GROUP
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.8 REM 7 1/2 4210 62.5 27.83 0.39" GOOD GROUP
WIN H 10? H4198 20.9 REM 7 1/2 4143 32.99 14.2 0.28" 1-12TWIST-1 CROOKED BULLET
WIN AH 15 H322 22.5 OLD LOT REM 7 1/2 0.48" 1/2" HIGH; WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L 15 H322 22.5 NEW LOT REM 7 1/2 0.5" 1/2" HIGH; WIND 15-20 KM
TOTAL 69 GROUPS (4 OVER 1") AVERAGE 0.68" 359 ROUNDS
NOS BT 32 2.080" 1.684" 2.030" 0.05 WIN 10 RL10X 21.6 REM 7 1/2 3930 60.33 22 0.34" BREAK IN 1-12" TWIST BARREL
WIN 10 RL10X 21.5 REM 7 1/2 3902 49.53 19.09 0.35" 50 YDS
WIN RL10X 21.4 REM 7 1/2 3875 42.96 15.49 0.53" TRY AGAIN ?
WIN H H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3880 57.79 26.36 0.75" 2 & 3 SPLIT GROUP
WIN H H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3900 84.79 ?? 0.72" 1 FLYER
WIN H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3883 76.64 26.6 0.37" 4 SHOT GROUP
TOTAL 6 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.51" 29 ROUNDS
SRA BK 32 2.119" 1.694" 2.063" 0.056" WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.4 REM 7 1/2 0.67" OK
WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.5 REM 7 1/2 0.54" OK
WIN AH 15 H322 22.4 * REM 7 1/2 3898 30.33 12.73 0.80" 4 @ 0.21"- 1 FLYER AT 4001fps
WIN AH 15 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3937 65.13 23.32 0.34" CHRONO @ 2 YDS
WIN AH 20 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3850? WINDY 0.58 1-11" TWIST HB
WIN AH 20 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 ? WINDY 0.54" 1-11" TWIST HB
WIN AH 19 H322 22.4 * REM 7 1/2 3938 21.6 9.5 0.37" CRONY LED; 1-11" TWIST HB
WIN AH 19 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3952 64.73 24.95 0.37" CHRONY LED; 1-11" TWISY HB
WIN L 10 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 ? 0.75" WIND 15 KM
WIN AL 10 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3872 81.63 32.87 0.67" WIND 15 KM - 1 FLYER
WIN AH 10 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 ? 0.42" WIND 15 KM
WIN H 10 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3885 96.58 38.34 0.42" WIND 15 KM
WIN L 10 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3828 21.9 10.67 0.67" WIND 15 KM - 1 FLYER
WIN L 10 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3827 WIND 15KM
WIN AH 15 H322 22.4 OLD LOT REM 7 1/2 0.62" 1" HIGH WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L 15 H322 22.5 NEW LOT REM 7 1/2 0.48" 1'' HIGH WIND 15-20 KM
TOTAL 16 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.52" 80 ROUNDS
CAL DBL HP 33 2.043" 1.658" 1.961" 0.073" WIN L 10 RL10X 21.5 REM 7 1/2 3810 68.37 32.14 0.66" OK GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.6 REM 7 1/2 3835 40.36 5.10? 0.64" OK GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.7 REM 7 1/2 3853 0.87" OK GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.8 REM 7 1/2 3898 61.2 24.67 0.75" OK GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.9 REM 7 1/2 3907 81.13 30.01 1.32" CRAP GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 22 REM 7 1/2 3948 77.91 28.91 0.74" 2 & 3 SPLIT GROUP
WIN L 10 RL10X 22 REM 7 1/2 3910 35.97 14.32 1.10" CRAP GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN AH 17 H322 22..3 REM 7 1/2 3834 49.6 20.6 0.75" OK CHRONY LED 1-11" TWIST
WIN AH 17 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3847 62.32 29.12 1.20" CRAP CHRONY 1 -11" TWIST
WIN AH 17 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3875 49.14 18.86 1.16" CRAP CHRONY LED 1-11' TWIST
WIN AH 17 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3957 79.23 21.26 0.90" 10 SHOT GROUP CHRONY
WIN 17 H322 22.7 REM 7 1/2 3850 0.59 BREAK IN 1-11" TWIST HB
WIN AH 17 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3894 16.27 6.16 0.40" GOOD GROUP CHRONY 1-11" HB
WIN H322 22.7 REM 7 1/2 3875 28.8 12.64 0.65" 1-12" TWIST; GOOD 1 FLYER
TOTAL 14 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.84" BAD RANGE DAY ??????
75 ROUNDS
BRNS VG 26 2.054" 1.695" 2.005" 0.049" WIN L 15 H4198 20.5 REM 7 1/2 4255 117.2 96.44 0.58" WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L 15 H4198 20.6 REM 7 1/2 4287 74.97 33.56 0.90" WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L 15 H4198 20.7 REM 7 1/2 4320?? ? ? 0.75" WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L H4198 20.5 REM 7 1/2 4275? ? ? 0.70" CHRONY; 1@ 20.3= 4001fps
20 ROUNDS
TOTAL 4 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.73" POOR BC & NOT EXPLOSIVE
BERG VM 35 2.067" 1.6515" 1.977" 0.090" WIN AH H322 22.1 BIG LOT REM 7 1/2 3852 58.93 26.6 0.34" OK GOOD GROUP
222 LM H322 22.1 REM 7 1/2 3830 53.49 24.45 0.33" BOLT STIFF BRASS STRETCH
WIN AH H322 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3886 68.28 26.64 0.48" OK GROUP OPENS UP
222 LM H322 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3884 60.15 25.84 0.51" BOLT STIFF BRASS STRETCH
222 LM H322 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3853 41.06 25.84 0.55" BOLT STIFF BRASS STRETCH
222 LM H4895 22.1 REM 7 1/2 3635 49.82 19.82 0.65" OK 2 FLYERS
222 LM H4895 22.1 NEW LOTREM7 1/2 REM 7 1/2 3641 44.68 18.44 0.6" OK 1 FLYER
222 LM H4895 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3693 27.64 12.48 0.6" OK DISPERSED GROUP
223 LM H4895 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3725 42.98 16.98 0.15" BEST GROUP OVERALL
223 LM H4895 22.3 REM 7 1/2 3690 117.3 53.97 0.45" 1 FLYER; 4@ 0.16"
223 LM H4895 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3720 76.98 29.44 0.32" GREAT GROUP
223 LM H4895 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3725 110.7 43.96 0.50" GOOD GROUP
REM N 20 H4895 22.5 * SLOW REM 7 1/2 3613 53.93 20.04 0.62" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM N 20 H4895 22.6 F SLOW REM 7 1/2 3633 99.53 43.38 0.85" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
WIN AH TAC 24.5 REM 7 1/2 4100 70.65 26.72 0.70" TOO HOT STRECH BRASS
TAC 23
TAC 23.3
TAC 23.6
TAC 23.9 4000??
65 ROUNDS
TOTAL 15 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.51" BEST AVERAGE
TOTAL 778 ROUNDS
TOTAL 153 TARGETS AVERAGE 0.68" 9 OVER 1"-INCLUDE 24 FLYERS
24 FLYERS = 3.1%
LARGEST GROUP 1.3"
I totally agree with the above quote. A lot of competition shooters, or should I say those who aspire to be competition shooters, seem to get the idea that the only accurate rifles are the ones that they spend thousands of dollars on. While custom equipment makes it easier it don't compensate for skills such as load development, reading the wind and, following through on the shot and blocking out the activity around them.
I have no aspirations to be a competitive shooter and only compete with myself to do the best I can with what I have at my disposal. As a long range hunter for many years I have been able to choose my shots and not shooting if the wind is not in my favor or the animal was not presenting a good shot. I have tuned many stock factory rifles, mostly Remingtons in 7mm08, to achieve my goal of sub MOA with enough energy to kill a moose at 600 yards. I Just sold my Rem 700 V to one of my best friends as my health no longer permits big game hunting. While the Jewell trigger I installed made it easier to get off the shot I found it hard to better the sub 1/4 inch groups that it shot while stock. I could consistently shoot sub .75 MOA groups, with multiple loads, whether from the bench, bi-pod or resting on a bag over the hood of my truck.
My passion now is to be consistent at shooting gophers to 500 yards as efficiently as possible. While it is possible to tune factory rifles to shoot accurately enough I have become increasingly aware of the design deficiencies in these cartridges and factory rifles. While the 204 Ruger is an awesome cartridge I found it difficult to develop accurate loads with the 32 grain V-maxes that they originally developed using 26" barrels with 1-12 twist barrels. Going to faster twist for the heavier bullets still presents a challenge in a 24" barrel and a magazine designed for 2.6" COL. I decided to develop my own wildcat that I call the 20EXTREME. I put together the following spreadsheet showing the results of my load development. During development I used two different barrels, nine different bullets, four different powders, six different cases and shot in all extremes of weather. The only constant was the shooter who preferred to go to the range when no one else was there.
While it is difficult to follow the spreadsheet, as presented on this forum, I think that you will get the point. I do have all of the targets for the skeptics that want to check for powder burns. I have yet to shoot a 300 yard target over 1/2 MOA and that 500 yard gopher still still hasn't presented itself but a lot of his kin wish they would have been over 350 yards from the muzzle.
LOAD DEVELOPMENT DATA
Warning: Bullet selections and COL are specific, and loads are not valid with substitution of
different bullets of the same weight. Variations in bullet length will alter net case capacity,
pressure and velocity. Primer selection is specific and primer types are not interchangeable.
These are maximum loads in my firearms and may easily be excessive in others. All loads should
be reduced by 10%, and developed following safe handloading practices as represented in
established reloading manuals produced by component manufactures. Presentation of these
loads does not constitute a solicitation for their use, not a recommendation.
Cartridge: 20 EXTREME N = NEW BRASS FL = FULL LENGTH SIZE BRASS
Rifle: CZ 527 V Scope: LEUPOLD 6.5-20x40 VHR WIN L = WINCHESTER LIGHT BRASS (UNDER 90.5 GRAINS)
Barrel: PacNor SS SUPER MATCH 24" Max COL: 2.2" WIN AL = WINCHESTER BRASS (90.5 - 90.9 GRAINS)
Max case length: 1.585" Reloading Dies: HORNADY CUSTOM WIN AH = WINCHESTER BRASS (91.0 - 91.5 GRAINS)
note: c= compressed load Group Distance: 100 yards WIN H = WINCHESTER HEAVY BRASS (OVER 91,5 GRAINS)
Red * = selected load Red = maximum load REM = REMINGTON FB = FREEBORE F = FULL CASE
Bullet Type Bullet Length Length to C.O.L. FB Case Temp POWDER PRIMER MV fps ES SD GROUP COMMENTS
Weight to lands comparator N/FL oC TYPE GRAINS LOT# 5 SHOT
V-MAX 40 2.072" 1.680" 2.040" 0.032" REM N H4895 22 * FAST REM 7 1/2 3619 35.88 12.08 0.46" 10 SHOTS 0.55" ZERO STRETCH
V-MAX 40 2.072" 1.680" 2.040 REM N 20 H4895 22 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3549 28.18 10.8 0.57" GOOD ZERO CASE STRETCH
V-MAX 40 2.072" 1.680" 2.040 REM N 20 H4895 21.8 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3533 92.93 32.67 1.06" 1 FLYER
WIN L/FL 15 H4895 21.3 REM 7 1/2 3454 50.72 19.81 0.47 WIND 15-20
WIN L 15 H4895 21.2 REM 7 1/2 3450 46.51 20.39 0.47" WIND 15-20 1 FLYER
WIN AH H4895 21.3 REM 7 1/2 3596 57.78 22.47 1.00" 1 FLYER
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.3 REM 7 1/2 3610 47.81 17.2 0.48" WIND 20-30
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.4 * REM 7 1/2 3643 33.88 13.61 0.30" WIND 20-30 1-12 TWIST
WIN L/FL 15 RL10X 20.4 * REM 7 1/2 N/A N/A N/A 0.58" WIND 15-20 1-11"TWIST
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3642 68.75 27.31 0.55" WIND 20-30 1 FLYER
WIN AH 15 RL10X 20.4 REM 7 1/2 N/A N/A N/A 0.57" 1-11" TWIST
WIN 10 RL10X 20.3 REM 7 1/2 3549 119.4 55.5 0.45" 50 YDS; FB O.O42
WIN 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3579 49.25 19.86 0.37" 50 YDS; FB O.O42
1.662" 2.022" 0.050" WIN 10 RL10X 20.7 F REM 7 1/2 3663 67.1 28.32 0.40" GOOD GROUP
1.662" 2.022" WIN 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3609 95.58 34.97 0.82
1.662" 2.022" LAPUA 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3586 42.82 15.95 0.67 BLEW PRIMER
TOTAL 16 GROUPS AVERAGE SIZE 0.514" 85 ROUNDS
NOS BT 40 2.082" 1.702" 2.052" 0.030" WIN L 10 RL10X 20.4 REM 7 1/2 3567 47.1 22.31 0.58" WIND 20-30 1-12"TWIST
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3617 53.74 22.18 0.39" WIND 20-30 1-12"TWIST
WIN 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3621 36.51 18.38 0.55" 50 YDS
WIN 10 RL10X 20.3 REM 7 1/2 3567 105.4 39.74 0.55" ?????
TOTAL 4 GROUPS AVERAGE SIZE 0.518" 20 ROUNDS
SRA BK 39 2.115" 1.698 2.065" 0.050" WIN 10 RL10X 20.5 REM 7 1/2 3668 73.37 33.85 0.48" 50 YDS
WIN L 10 RL10X 20.4 REM 7 1/2 3590 9.83 3.593 0.98" ?WIND 20-30
WIN L 15 H4895 21.2 * REM 7 1/2 3414 49 19.24 0.52" WIND 15-20
WIN L 15 H4895 21.3 REM 7 1/2 3463 109.7 41.99 0.52" WIND 15-20
WIN AL 12 H4895 21 REM 7 1/2 0.65" WIND 15 KPH
WIN AL 12 H4895 21.1 REM 7 1/2 0.95" WIND 15 KPH
WIN AL 12 H4895 21.2 * REM 7 1/2 0.80" 1 FLYER - 4 @ 0.39"
WIN AL 12 H4895 21.3 REM 7 1/2 0.95" WIND 15 KPH
WIN AL 12 H4895 21.4 F REM 7 1/2 0.79" WIND 15 KPH
WIN AL H4895 21.5C REM 7 1/2 TRY 1-11 TWIST
TOTAL 9 GROUPS AVERAGE SIZE 0.68" 45 ROUNDS
V-MAX 32 2.084" 1.665" 2.035" 0.049" WIN 10 RL10X 21.5 FAST REM 7 1/2 3896 4.58 0.34" 50 YDS
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.5 FAST REM 7 1/2 3898 19 0.33 GOOD GROUP;WIND 20-30
WIN 10 RL10X 21.5 FAST REM 7 1/2 3900 0.37" GOOD GROUP;WIND 20-30
LAPUA 10 RL10X 21.5 FAST REM 7 1/2 3848 91.01 37.1 1.0" 0.55" W/O 1 FLYER
LAPUA 10 RL10X 21.7 FAST REM 7 1/2 3891 64.77 26.89 0.96" CRAP BRASS BLEW PRIMER
LAPUA 10 RL10X 21.9 F FAST REM 7 1/2 3922 65.65 25.94 0.76 PRIMERS OK
WIN AH 17 RL10X 21.3 #75153 REM 7 1/2 3934 49.72 20.44 0.70" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 17 RL10X 21.3 #75107 REM 7 1/2 3903 61.67 26.03 1 CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 17 RL10X 21.4 #75153 REM 7 1/2 3989 36.28 16.68 0.67 CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 17 RL10X 21.4 #75107 REM 7 1/2 3919 53.32 25.14 0.94 CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH RL10X 21.4 #75153 REM 7 1/2 3938 52.37 27.38 0.38" GOOD GROUP;WIND 15
WIN L 17 RL10X 21.5 #75153 REM 7 1/2 3983 36.88 14.14 0.55" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN L 19 RL10X 21.5 #75107 REM 7 1/2 3965 50.67 21.73 0.69" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.5 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3850 78.93 36.34 0.58" OK
WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.6 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3894 108.7 42.91 0.99" WIND 15
WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.7 SLOW REM 7 1/2 3932 67.65 28.17 0.92" WIND 15; 2 FLYERS??
WIN 10 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3819 65.26 24.32 0.37" 50 YDS
WIN 10 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3873 63.15 26.95 0.57"
WIN 10 H322 22.6 REM 7 1/2 3858 73.22 29.95 0.40" 50 YDS
WIN AH 15 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3850 45.71 18.96 0.65" WIND 15
WIN H 16 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3882 82.89 31.16 0.75"
WIN H 16 H322 22.5 * REM 7 1/2 3914 48.1 20.26 0.38 GOOD 0.23" W/O FLYER
WIN AH 17 H322 22.3 ??? REM 7 1/2 3868 51.73 19.18 1.10" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 17 H322 22.4 ??? REM 7 1/2 3906 73.16 30.16 0.98" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH ?? H322 22.5 NEW LOT REM 7 1/2 3980 15.47 8.24 1.00" TARGET MOVING IN WIND
WIN AH 16 H322 22.5 ??? REM 7 1/2 4016 86.61 31.57 0.55" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 19 H322 22.5 ??? REM 7 1/2 4037 79.07 30.09 0.44" CHRONY LED; 1-11 TWIST
WIN AH 18 H322 22.5 ??? REM 7 1/2 4014 42.42 16.24 5 SHOTS 12 SHOT GROUP 0.764"
WIN AH 18 RL10X 21.5 ??? REM 7 1/2 4018 44.02 31.14 2 SHOTS 8 SHOTS 0.450"
SRA BK 32 WIN AH 18 H322 22.4 ??? REM 7 1/2 4005 121.7 47.5 5 SHOTS WINDY; CHRONY LED 1-11"
V-MAX 32 2.084" 1.665" 2.035" 0.049 WIN L/FL 12 H4895 21.9 ??? REM 7 1/2 3649 14.53 6.092 0.70" LOW PRESSURE
WIN L/FL 12 H4895 22.1 ??? REM 7 1/2 3694 35.92 15.67 0.60"
WIN L/FL 12 H4895 22.? ??? REM 7 1/2 3724 117.6 15.67 0.43" 4 SHOTS 0.160" - 1 FLYER
WIN AH H4895 22.0 * ??? REM 7 1/2 3775 34.02 14.49 0.39" Different lot?? GOOD LOAD
WIN AH H4350 22 REM 7 1/2 3113 85.93 34.18 0.67" GOOD SLOW LOAD
LAPUA 26 H4895 22 #4597 REM 7 1/2 3683 32.5 13.06 0.63" INDOOR 3732
LAPUA 26 H4895 22.1 #4597 REM 7 1/2 3628 25.78 9.89 0.68" GOOD GROUP; ONE FLYER
LAPUA H4895 22 ?? REM 7 1/2 ? ? ? 0.624 3 SHOTS @ 300 YDS
LAPUA H4895 22 ?? REM 7 1/2 3747 77.5 35.07 0.71" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM 22 H4895 22.5 ?? REM 7 1/2 3633 73.93 27.51 0.68" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM 22 H 4895 22.6 ?? REM 7 1/2 3708 73.35 27.83 0.88" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM 22 H4895 22.7 ?? REM 7 1/2 3696 98.08 28.03 0.73" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM H4895 22.6 * ?? REM 7 1/2 3752 94.55 29.82 1.24" 10 SHOTS/1FLYER OVER1"
REM 10 BMARK 24 ?? REM 7 1/2 3975 46.79 26 0.8 3 SHOTS - 1 FLYER
WIN H 16 BMARK 23.1 ?? REM 7 1/2 3919 71.08 31.17 0.78" OK
WIN H 16 BMARK 23.2 ?? REM 7 1/2 3932 44.2 27.44 0.75" GOOD LOAD
WIN H 16 BMARK 23.3 ?? REM 7 1/2 3961 51.89 27.38 0.77" GOOD
LAPUA 10 BMARK 23.3 ?? REM 7 1/2 3848 63.3 31.05 0.85" OK -1 FLYER
LAPUA 10 BMARK 23.6 F ?? REM 7 1/2 3929 86.68 41.62 1.02" OVER 1"
NORMA 10 BMARK 23.6 ?? REM 7 1/2 3975 72.2 25.01 0.56" GOOD LOAD
NORMA 10 BMARK 23.7 ?? REM 7 1/2 3970 52 20.6 0.55" GOOD LOAD
NORMA 10 BMARK 23.8F ?? REM 7 1/2 4005 66.58 26.85 0.43 AWESOME HI VELOCITY
WIN AH 19 TAC 24.5 REM 7 1/2 4138 122.2 46.26 0.92" GOOD - 1 FLYER
WIN AH 19 H4198 20 FAST REM 7 1/2 4093 43.65 19.41 0.99" CHRONY LED 1-11" TWIST
WIN 23 H4198 20 REM 7 1/2 4014 72.16 28.57 1.00" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.1 REM 7 1/2 4090 81.01 37.98 0.74" CHRONY LED 1-11" TWIST
WIN 23 H4198 20.1 REM 7 1/2 4019 34.43 12.6 0.70" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN 23 H4198 20.2 REM 7 1/2 4044 74.5 37.93 0.70" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.3 REM 7 1/2 4085 13.6 6.48 0.75" 4 @ O.354"- 1 FLYER @4247
WIN 23 H4198 20.3 REM 7 1/2 4048 29.38 11.78 0.475" RE-CHECK THESE 2 LOADS
WIN 23 H4198 20.4 REM 7 1/2 4054 53.44 21.04 0.75" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.5 REM 7 1/2 4115 48.74 18.79 0.90" 4@0.40" - 1FLYER
WIN 23 H4198 20.5 REM 7 1/2 4108 75.87 32.28 1.12" OUTSIDE @ GLEN'S 28C
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.6 * REM 7 1/2 4125 34.98 14.06 0.22" BEST GROUP
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.7 REM 7 1/2 4165 38.24 14.83 0.60" OK GROUP
WIN AH 19 H4198 20.8 REM 7 1/2 4210 62.5 27.83 0.39" GOOD GROUP
WIN H 10? H4198 20.9 REM 7 1/2 4143 32.99 14.2 0.28" 1-12TWIST-1 CROOKED BULLET
WIN AH 15 H322 22.5 OLD LOT REM 7 1/2 0.48" 1/2" HIGH; WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L 15 H322 22.5 NEW LOT REM 7 1/2 0.5" 1/2" HIGH; WIND 15-20 KM
TOTAL 69 GROUPS (4 OVER 1") AVERAGE 0.68" 359 ROUNDS
NOS BT 32 2.080" 1.684" 2.030" 0.05 WIN 10 RL10X 21.6 REM 7 1/2 3930 60.33 22 0.34" BREAK IN 1-12" TWIST BARREL
WIN 10 RL10X 21.5 REM 7 1/2 3902 49.53 19.09 0.35" 50 YDS
WIN RL10X 21.4 REM 7 1/2 3875 42.96 15.49 0.53" TRY AGAIN ?
WIN H H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3880 57.79 26.36 0.75" 2 & 3 SPLIT GROUP
WIN H H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3900 84.79 ?? 0.72" 1 FLYER
WIN H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3883 76.64 26.6 0.37" 4 SHOT GROUP
TOTAL 6 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.51" 29 ROUNDS
SRA BK 32 2.119" 1.694" 2.063" 0.056" WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.4 REM 7 1/2 0.67" OK
WIN AH 15 RL10X 21.5 REM 7 1/2 0.54" OK
WIN AH 15 H322 22.4 * REM 7 1/2 3898 30.33 12.73 0.80" 4 @ 0.21"- 1 FLYER AT 4001fps
WIN AH 15 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3937 65.13 23.32 0.34" CHRONO @ 2 YDS
WIN AH 20 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3850? WINDY 0.58 1-11" TWIST HB
WIN AH 20 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 ? WINDY 0.54" 1-11" TWIST HB
WIN AH 19 H322 22.4 * REM 7 1/2 3938 21.6 9.5 0.37" CRONY LED; 1-11" TWIST HB
WIN AH 19 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3952 64.73 24.95 0.37" CHRONY LED; 1-11" TWISY HB
WIN L 10 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 ? 0.75" WIND 15 KM
WIN AL 10 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3872 81.63 32.87 0.67" WIND 15 KM - 1 FLYER
WIN AH 10 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 ? 0.42" WIND 15 KM
WIN H 10 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3885 96.58 38.34 0.42" WIND 15 KM
WIN L 10 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3828 21.9 10.67 0.67" WIND 15 KM - 1 FLYER
WIN L 10 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3827 WIND 15KM
WIN AH 15 H322 22.4 OLD LOT REM 7 1/2 0.62" 1" HIGH WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L 15 H322 22.5 NEW LOT REM 7 1/2 0.48" 1'' HIGH WIND 15-20 KM
TOTAL 16 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.52" 80 ROUNDS
CAL DBL HP 33 2.043" 1.658" 1.961" 0.073" WIN L 10 RL10X 21.5 REM 7 1/2 3810 68.37 32.14 0.66" OK GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.6 REM 7 1/2 3835 40.36 5.10? 0.64" OK GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.7 REM 7 1/2 3853 0.87" OK GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.8 REM 7 1/2 3898 61.2 24.67 0.75" OK GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 21.9 REM 7 1/2 3907 81.13 30.01 1.32" CRAP GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN L 10 RL10X 22 REM 7 1/2 3948 77.91 28.91 0.74" 2 & 3 SPLIT GROUP
WIN L 10 RL10X 22 REM 7 1/2 3910 35.97 14.32 1.10" CRAP GROUP WIND 20-30 KM
WIN AH 17 H322 22..3 REM 7 1/2 3834 49.6 20.6 0.75" OK CHRONY LED 1-11" TWIST
WIN AH 17 H322 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3847 62.32 29.12 1.20" CRAP CHRONY 1 -11" TWIST
WIN AH 17 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3875 49.14 18.86 1.16" CRAP CHRONY LED 1-11' TWIST
WIN AH 17 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3957 79.23 21.26 0.90" 10 SHOT GROUP CHRONY
WIN 17 H322 22.7 REM 7 1/2 3850 0.59 BREAK IN 1-11" TWIST HB
WIN AH 17 H322 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3894 16.27 6.16 0.40" GOOD GROUP CHRONY 1-11" HB
WIN H322 22.7 REM 7 1/2 3875 28.8 12.64 0.65" 1-12" TWIST; GOOD 1 FLYER
TOTAL 14 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.84" BAD RANGE DAY ??????
75 ROUNDS
BRNS VG 26 2.054" 1.695" 2.005" 0.049" WIN L 15 H4198 20.5 REM 7 1/2 4255 117.2 96.44 0.58" WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L 15 H4198 20.6 REM 7 1/2 4287 74.97 33.56 0.90" WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L 15 H4198 20.7 REM 7 1/2 4320?? ? ? 0.75" WIND 15-20 KM
WIN L H4198 20.5 REM 7 1/2 4275? ? ? 0.70" CHRONY; 1@ 20.3= 4001fps
20 ROUNDS
TOTAL 4 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.73" POOR BC & NOT EXPLOSIVE
BERG VM 35 2.067" 1.6515" 1.977" 0.090" WIN AH H322 22.1 BIG LOT REM 7 1/2 3852 58.93 26.6 0.34" OK GOOD GROUP
222 LM H322 22.1 REM 7 1/2 3830 53.49 24.45 0.33" BOLT STIFF BRASS STRETCH
WIN AH H322 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3886 68.28 26.64 0.48" OK GROUP OPENS UP
222 LM H322 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3884 60.15 25.84 0.51" BOLT STIFF BRASS STRETCH
222 LM H322 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3853 41.06 25.84 0.55" BOLT STIFF BRASS STRETCH
222 LM H4895 22.1 REM 7 1/2 3635 49.82 19.82 0.65" OK 2 FLYERS
222 LM H4895 22.1 NEW LOTREM7 1/2 REM 7 1/2 3641 44.68 18.44 0.6" OK 1 FLYER
222 LM H4895 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3693 27.64 12.48 0.6" OK DISPERSED GROUP
223 LM H4895 22.2 REM 7 1/2 3725 42.98 16.98 0.15" BEST GROUP OVERALL
223 LM H4895 22.3 REM 7 1/2 3690 117.3 53.97 0.45" 1 FLYER; 4@ 0.16"
223 LM H4895 22.4 REM 7 1/2 3720 76.98 29.44 0.32" GREAT GROUP
223 LM H4895 22.5 REM 7 1/2 3725 110.7 43.96 0.50" GOOD GROUP
REM N 20 H4895 22.5 * SLOW REM 7 1/2 3613 53.93 20.04 0.62" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
REM N 20 H4895 22.6 F SLOW REM 7 1/2 3633 99.53 43.38 0.85" OK ZERO BRASS STRETCH
WIN AH TAC 24.5 REM 7 1/2 4100 70.65 26.72 0.70" TOO HOT STRECH BRASS
TAC 23
TAC 23.3
TAC 23.6
TAC 23.9 4000??
65 ROUNDS
TOTAL 15 GROUPS AVERAGE 0.51" BEST AVERAGE
TOTAL 778 ROUNDS
TOTAL 153 TARGETS AVERAGE 0.68" 9 OVER 1"-INCLUDE 24 FLYERS
24 FLYERS = 3.1%
LARGEST GROUP 1.3"
I shot a half minute group once!!!! Key word "once" lol. Today I'm going to try and hit paper at 200 with my 10/22.
I agree, internet anonymity warrants bold and untrue statements in every imaginable discipline in both quantitative and qualitative ways.
I agree, internet anonymity warrants bold and untrue statements in every imaginable discipline in both quantitative and qualitative ways.
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Wow Iclund, that is awesome! Thanks for showing us your shooting data! It's so nice to get actual data. I've got a similar spreadsheet that I'm slowly building, only it's for .243 winchester and the average is roughly 1.2"
There are a lot of folks like that. I recently met a moose hunter to claimed that he takes all shots at 100 yards "from the hip", and off hand up to 500 yards. For his 500+ yard shots he kneels down on one knee
Chris.
Chris.
TargetNorth
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There are a lot of folks like that. I recently met a moose hunter to claimed that he takes all shots at 100 yards "from the hip", and off hand up to 500 yards. For his 500+ yard shots he kneels down on one knee
Chris.
Maybe he doesn't know how far 500 yards is?
Last time I was at the range a guy was shooting siluettes at 300m, hitting roughly 40 out of 50 shots. He was standing, shooting 6.5xsomething, at 300 yards. Very impressive.
(I could hit them sitting with my SKS 1 out of 5 times)
I can routinely hit a pie plate at 800 yards with my tactical rifle. Prone, Harris bipod, and a homemade denim rear bag. Not sure if thats considered precision but it sure works well for large and small game.
Going to try and stretch it out further this year.
1/4 MOA is standard if the reloads are consistent.
Going to try and stretch it out further this year.
1/4 MOA is standard if the reloads are consistent.
Maybe he doesn't know how far 500 yards is?
I wonder how many shots he needs to put down one of his 500 yard moose?
Chris.
Wow Iclund, that is awesome! Thanks for showing us your shooting data! It's so nice to get actual data. I've got a similar spreadsheet that I'm slowly building, only it's for .243 winchester and the average is roughly 1.2"
Send me a PM if you would like me to email you a copy of the actual spreadsheet. As this is a Varmint Rig I shot all of the groups from the bench with a bi-pod and rear bag. I didn't check for run out and bullets were right out of the box. I can't do prone because of my bad legs and never was any good at free-hand shooting even when my legs were good. My best shooting buddy is an excellent freehand shot and I envy him and those like him. He acknowledged that I am better from the bench but there really wasn't much difference when he shot my rifles. Here is what he e-mailed his friends about the 20 EXTREME.
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This is actually true.
I have been a small part of the development and have shot incredible groups on paper & many gophers with this
rifle.
Lavern is a fanatical guru. He may be able to make one for you should one feel the need for the exotic. ;-) Ted
You will be shooting under 1" groups if you take up my offer to try my 20 EXTREME at the range. When we get yours make up you will probably be out shooting me.
Laverne Lundgard
