Precision Shooting vs. Practical Shooting
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Mystic Precision
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- Summerland, BC
You can't hold paid or organised shooting events on Crown land without a land use permit and that permit requires insurance.
Any guess on where this will end?
Jerry
Any guess on where this will end?
Jerry
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
And why PRS style matches will be very difficult to develop in Canada.
Whenever Organised and entry fee are in the same sentence, things really change. Land owner would need to be on side. So would neighbours. Somewhere, insurance would need to be included cause someone might have an accident.
When that happens, your CFO and RCMP have to also be onside.
Not saying it can't be done... there is a private range in the works in BC right now.
BUT it is the shooting with movement that terrifies the gatekeepers.
Now if a landowner actually controlled many square miles of land AND was willing to jump through all the hoops, it would be conceivable if the land was larger then the range template using small cals. Contact CFO or Miramichee to get their instruction manual on what is needed for a range.
Have fun...
Jerry
The area I'm interested in is about 200000 acres and no residences, just some oil facilities mixed about. It really is feasible and only an hour and a half from a full service town. People travel across borders to participate in these shoots why not drive out into the foothills of Alberta?!
Seems to me the biggest hurdle is mentality.
I have a dream..
And I'm pretty stubborn
Seems to me the biggest hurdle is mentality.
I have a dream..
And I'm pretty stubborn
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The area I'm interested in is about 200000 acres and no residences, just some oil facilities mixed about. It really is feasible and only an hour and a half from a full service town. People travel across borders to participate in these shoots why not drive out into the foothills of Alberta?!
Seems to me the biggest hurdle is mentality.
I have a dream..
And I'm pretty stubborn
Dusticles has it right, "mentality"
I'm on the PRS comittee, If I can assist in any way please feel free to contact me. We have had 1000s of club and series matches in the last 4 years without incident.
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Summerland, BC
The area I'm interested in is about 200000 acres and no residences, just some oil facilities mixed about. It really is feasible and only an hour and a half from a full service town. People travel across borders to participate in these shoots why not drive out into the foothills of Alberta?!
Seems to me the biggest hurdle is mentality.
I have a dream..
And I'm pretty stubborn
NOPE..... the biggest hurdle is legality and liability.
Solve these and all is possible.
Where I am currently shooting, you are on a dead end valley. Shoot out to 1200yds+. Uphill, downhill, run here, run there. You can set up all sorts of shooting mayhem within a hundred yards of the staging area. Logged so really nothing to get in the way of staging anything that floats you boat.
If you are a Canuck, shoot to your hearts delight. Just carry the typical insurance and have the proper paperwork to have a loud toy.
Crown land.... odds of getting approval for a match.... ????
Last time I tried, I was run into the same road blocks and things went round in the same pointless circles.
BUT if you can find a way out of this loop, go for it.
Jerry
Linda from MilCun recently sent out a screen capture of a conversation she had with a lawyer on Facebook regarding legal discharge of firearms of all types. One of the things that was mentioned by the lawyer was:
They wrote the Firearms Act to explicitly disallow having competitions on private or crowned land without getting approval from the CFO. Maybe the CFOs out west are more reasonable, but it's not going to happen in Ontario...
They wrote the Firearms Act to explicitly disallow having competitions on private or crowned land without getting approval from the CFO. Maybe the CFOs out west are more reasonable, but it's not going to happen in Ontario...
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As far as R/Os go at the club level (informal) level we have shooters R/O and spot for each other. club matches usually have less than 50 shooters and now prize table. the larger national level matches with a prize table we have dedicated, impartial R/O staff.
I think the operative word is "discharge". Does all of your competition have to occur at the same location? Is a CFO approved range required for scored observation or range estimation exercises? Timed hiking or orienteering with map and compass/GPS?
How do the biathalon people manage it?
Travis Bickle
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- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
From what I have seen being around for a while now, precision shooting is done on your stomach, usually at known measured distances with all variables controlled including your position, stress level, comfort level etc etc
Practical shooting is still trying to achieve accuracy but with none of the above. Usually the opposite of those conditions in the extreme actually.
I am only a target shooter but I think of myself as a practical accuracy shooter. I don't measure good shooting by thousands of an inch. I measure it as can I hit a 12" square plate at 100 meters from the prone using a bag or elbows to rest on then get up to sitting position or even kneeling and still consistently be able to hit the same target above %90 of the time. Then can I do it at 200 meters? If not then I work on it until I can. I shoot mostly iron sights bear in mind.
I try to jog back from patching my target and dropping down to quickly shoot another group with my heart pumping and not a lot of "get cozy" time etc.
The basics of "know your rifle, know your sights (be they iron or scope)" are absolute fundamentals of both practicality and precision though and that's a good place to start.
Practical shooting is still trying to achieve accuracy but with none of the above. Usually the opposite of those conditions in the extreme actually.
I am only a target shooter but I think of myself as a practical accuracy shooter. I don't measure good shooting by thousands of an inch. I measure it as can I hit a 12" square plate at 100 meters from the prone using a bag or elbows to rest on then get up to sitting position or even kneeling and still consistently be able to hit the same target above %90 of the time. Then can I do it at 200 meters? If not then I work on it until I can. I shoot mostly iron sights bear in mind.
I try to jog back from patching my target and dropping down to quickly shoot another group with my heart pumping and not a lot of "get cozy" time etc.
The basics of "know your rifle, know your sights (be they iron or scope)" are absolute fundamentals of both practicality and precision though and that's a good place to start.
I was a hunter long before I was a target shooter.
Gear wise, after precision shooting, I will never be without target turrets again and knowing your exact elev and wind dope for your rifle load makes all the difference in shot placement. Anything inside 300m is dinner(I don't shoot at game from further, I can get closer if I need to).
Shooting position wise I learned more from the military than precision shooting as you can not use prone very often while hunting . If the shrubs are low enough you can employ a good sitting position. For stability while standing I carry a hiking pole or ski pole on my pack and use it to steady the rifle up when firing over most vegetation (standing mono-pod).
