in regards to punishing people for not showing up, why don't you do like the rest of the civilized world and have people pay up front for registration. there aren't too many sections still accepting payment day of as far as I know.
Prepayment or not for IPSC Matches, split from Omens thread
- Thread starter Slavex
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It's up to the Match Directors...but for some reason most clubs don't require it. The software has always allowed the MD to restrict access until payment is received...at which point they click a button and the system allows you to pick a slot. EESA has used it in the past...and it seemed to work fine.
The system doesn't process the financial transaction...you just mail in a check...or use EMT
and why should the MD have to go through all the trouble of prepaying because inconsiderate shooters like to book the time slots, and then not show up.. ???
shooters should be accountable for their own actions of repeatedly not showing up for matches..
as for the site..
it would be nice to have a "my portal" type page when you login so you can see a list/summary of matches signed up for. and quick links for changing squads, removing registration etc...
how about also getting notices when matches open up for signups.. eg if it's listed but not open, be able to be put on a list to notify when it opens.
Like I said...it's up to t he MD's.
and who's going to do all the CC charges, and deal with chargebacks, refunds and crap like that?? clubs don't have the infrastructure to deal with it.. unless someone wants to offer the clubs to do it as a service, then each club won't want to go through all the hassles of dealing with it.
Cheque is in the mail? No registration until payment received? No refunds after a certain date?
Um Credit cards? Refunds? Cheques work pretty good for the rest of the country and world for that matter. Refunds are seldom ever issued and only min of 2 weeks out with a helluva good excuse, accident death etc. So I still don't see where this supposed extra work comes from. Out here we still process it all by hand. No one uses Omen's online system (although I will if I ever MD again as its a great tool). Could someone explain to me how requiring payment with registration is such a big deal?
Could that discussion be moved to another thread?
I don't want to get caught up in the politics of prepay/not pay/etc... Just trying to build a useful system, and hoping to get more people/sections/etc interested in it, so I'm soliciting comments re how to make it more useful
After getting burned by 40 shooters that I purchased food for it won't happen again, any matches that I am MD at will be prepayment with no refunds in last 2 weeks except for gigantic reasons. I am used to 10% bailing but this was an alltime high.
supermag
supermag
In Alberta everyone must pre-register for a match and payment must be received at least the Monday before the match. Steve can give a better idea of the numbers but when i was SC over 90% of the people used EMT's. we do not accept credit cards for two reasons, the first one being that it costs to much and the second one being that if the supplier decides he doesn't like guns trying to get your money is a PIA (i had a friend with a fitness club that had a cc company cancel his account and not tell him. he was 6 months getting his money from them.)
In Alberta there is no self squadding for out door matches as everyone is either working or shooting. we do allow squadding requests but there is no guarantee. when we did it if there was more then one name on your request you usually got nothing. for indoor matches you get to pick either morning or afternoon but that is it.
In Alberta there is no self squadding for out door matches as everyone is either working or shooting. we do allow squadding requests but there is no guarantee. when we did it if there was more then one name on your request you usually got nothing. for indoor matches you get to pick either morning or afternoon but that is it.
stormbringer
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- S.W. Ontario
Simple.......EMT, cash or cheque....
To date I have had to do that once....
Heck........we do not have sufficient infrastructure to host matches!!!!!! LOL!! But that does not stop us!
Again.........it is up to the MD.
Personally I take NO shows much worse than the work on prepay...
But I only use prepay for Level III matches.
So.. you say's its simple, yet you only do it for level 3's.. so there is pretty much the answer right there.. it's not worth the extra work involved for smaller matches (the vast majority of matches).
unless someone comes up with a system that is quick and easy for the MD's and the shooters, then it won't be used a lot..
Slavex.. every had to collect and process 60 cheques for an organization????? I have and it's a pain in the ass.. Bank hours (for people who work out of town on regular business hours). getting continous questions like "have you got the money in the mail yet".. going to the mailbox every day (as the shooters now expect you to so they can pick thier squad as soon as possible).
now do that once a month....... as I said.. not worth the extra work.
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- S.W. Ontario
Close but not quite...........
The reality is that not as much blood sweat and tears go into a L1 or L2 match when compared to a L3 match...
Thus I am not as pissed off at no shows for those matches.
It is sort of a risk reward thing....
I must agree.
I had a few no shows. But my list is made .
How about a policy of paying 2x if they want to shoot on a case by case situation. I am not turning them away, just surcharging them for it. Like a speeding ticket.
We should keep track and give the names to all match directors.
Um yeah I've run matches, done receiving for multiple events and organizations. Its pretty simple. We use payment with registration for level II and III's. People don't phone and ask if we received anything, the mail service is pretty decent in Canada. If people don't show up, they don't get a refund. Again simple. And in the end you have to take their money at some point. So the work is still there, doing it ahead of the time means you don't have to do it on the match day. One less hassle to worry about, and it might help you with no shows.
That's not the answer john...nor is it a place we want to go...
Prepayment (preferably by EMT) is the most plausible solution. Anything else (lists and "fines") is really just planning for failure. The idea is to get them to show up...not what to do with them if they don;t
Not sure about majority, but I don't use checks and both EMT and money orders cost money. Though it is really significant part of the Level 3 registration fee, but noticeable for Level 2 and 1.
For me payment with a credit card or even something like (FRAUD ALERT) would be more convenient then EMT, but then there is a credit processing fee...
Just my 2c
For me payment with a credit card or even something like (FRAUD ALERT) would be more convenient then EMT, but then there is a credit processing fee...
Just my 2c
