Prescribed antiques - How low a profile to keep?
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tactical870
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While I do agree that we need to be tactfull, I don't believe in hiding my rights. I was out for a coyote hunt this morning carrying my antique 43 mauser on a sling and my MKII Webley (legally in plain view) on my hip for a little plinking. While I was carefull not to "show it off" as I was leaving my truck at the entrance to the field, I don't live in fear like some of the others on here. Our actions as responsible firearms owners speak for themselves. I have run into hikers in the bush while shooting my antiques before. A pleasant conversation and a little explaination goes a long way.
The day we hide our legal actions out of fear, we let the antis win. Act responsibly and educate others and we will find ourselves in a much better situation.
The day we hide our legal actions out of fear, we let the antis win. Act responsibly and educate others and we will find ourselves in a much better situation.
When the bully boys come in the night for you, you just may change your tune.
Some live in fear for damned good reason.
I've had my brush with them and if you refuse to learn from my experiance, I don't know how else to help you.
Some live in fear for damned good reason.
I've had my brush with them and if you refuse to learn from my experiance, I don't know how else to help you.
To tell you the truth guys, Wendy already knows about the antiques and she already DID try to convince Lieberal-voting minions & other little clueless socialists about the potential 'lethality' of these "antique baby killing machines".
It's funny, but I got into antiques thanks to none other than... Wendy! I noticed the BP/Antiques section of the forum ever since I joined here, but I always pictured an antique gun to be a 200 year-old flintlock rifle with a badly bent and rusted-through barrel (lol), so I never even bothered investigating the matter further. I just took it for granted that there was nothing there that could be of interest for me and/or still enjoyed at a range... I always knew the firearms act pretty well ever since it came out in '95, but never paid particular attention to the antiques regulations, as there was nothing there for me (or so I thought).
Then, one day a coworker came up to me and started saying how he was watching a program on TV and this chick called Wendy was talking about antique guns (the guy knows that I'm a very big pro-gunner, no matter what kind of gun it is). He told me that this Wendy character must've been out to lunch or something, because she brought all kinds of old revolvers and other guns on the show and started talking about how they're not regulated at all in this country, then he asked me if it's true. To that, I responded that I'd have to look into it before giving him a definite answer... and so I came here to find out more, then ended up buying my first antique... and stuck around ever since! This is now my favorite section and I have quite an antique collection, all thanks to Wendy's usual fear-mongering efforts!
Bottom line, she knows... and the rest of her socialist & emotionally immature anti-gun gang know as well. And she already attempted to corrupt some clueless people about it on TV (with more lies and selective statistics, I am sure), the relentless man-hating b*tch that she is... this is why we repeat time and time again: the antis agenda includes the eventual confiscation of ALL firearm classes, not just the restricted one! We're all in the same boat, my friends. When they attack one class, we should ALL get in on the fight, not just those who happen to own the particular firearms class that's at stake at that moment, because everyone's turn will eventually come! (that's also why I own them ALL... to show solidarity - except for 12(x) stuff, which I can't unfortunately get these days).
P.S. I tried to find the TV program in question (or at least an article), but was unable to locate it through Google search engines. Might be under the radar somewhere...
It's funny, but I got into antiques thanks to none other than... Wendy! I noticed the BP/Antiques section of the forum ever since I joined here, but I always pictured an antique gun to be a 200 year-old flintlock rifle with a badly bent and rusted-through barrel (lol), so I never even bothered investigating the matter further. I just took it for granted that there was nothing there that could be of interest for me and/or still enjoyed at a range... I always knew the firearms act pretty well ever since it came out in '95, but never paid particular attention to the antiques regulations, as there was nothing there for me (or so I thought).
Then, one day a coworker came up to me and started saying how he was watching a program on TV and this chick called Wendy was talking about antique guns (the guy knows that I'm a very big pro-gunner, no matter what kind of gun it is). He told me that this Wendy character must've been out to lunch or something, because she brought all kinds of old revolvers and other guns on the show and started talking about how they're not regulated at all in this country, then he asked me if it's true. To that, I responded that I'd have to look into it before giving him a definite answer... and so I came here to find out more, then ended up buying my first antique... and stuck around ever since! This is now my favorite section and I have quite an antique collection, all thanks to Wendy's usual fear-mongering efforts!
Bottom line, she knows... and the rest of her socialist & emotionally immature anti-gun gang know as well. And she already attempted to corrupt some clueless people about it on TV (with more lies and selective statistics, I am sure), the relentless man-hating b*tch that she is... this is why we repeat time and time again: the antis agenda includes the eventual confiscation of ALL firearm classes, not just the restricted one! We're all in the same boat, my friends. When they attack one class, we should ALL get in on the fight, not just those who happen to own the particular firearms class that's at stake at that moment, because everyone's turn will eventually come! (that's also why I own them ALL... to show solidarity - except for 12(x) stuff, which I can't unfortunately get these days).
P.S. I tried to find the TV program in question (or at least an article), but was unable to locate it through Google search engines. Might be under the radar somewhere...
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Couple years ago, I was mayor millers' "so-called collector"
I was dragged out of my home, at gun-point, in the middle of the night, bare foot and in my scivvies ( lol, there's a scary sight for the neighbours! LOL), for the sole purpose of providing a headline for their efforts to get evil collector guns off the streets of Toronto.
Tens of thousands of lawyer fees and personal lost time later, all charges were withdrawn, since, other than the needed photo op/headlines for political purposes, there were no grounds for the charges.
How things aught to be and how they really are, are sometimes two very different things.
Sometimes it's a matter of time and place, but I believe if it can happen to me here, sooner or latter, it can happen to any one of you any where.
Yes, in part.
Your antiques are perfectly legal to own and use anywhere you are legit to use your non-restricted long arms. However, you may, one day, find yourself charged with (essentually) being in possession of prohibited/unregistered weapons.
When you are being taken down at gun point by johnny law, you will not, in the heat of the moment, have the luctury of time to explain the finer points of the antique regs to the officer pointing his gun at you. LOL You will of course, have all of your registered firearms confiscated and your home ransacked in the mean time and after a long and expensive court battle you may get some or all of your possesions (computer, passport, eyeglasses, personal papers) back with the attendant varying degrees of damage.
To think you can hide under the cloak of having only antique firearms in your possession is, in my opinion, to be living in a fools paridice.
You may be perfectly legal in using you antique pistol anywhere you are legal to use your non-resticted long guns, however IMHO, you stand a very real chance of being charged and the cops attitude (in my experience) is just to charge first and let the courts sort it out. (on your dime, I might add! LOL)
An attack on any segment of the shooting/hunting sports, is in my opinion, an attack on all shooting/hunting.
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I might add,
If you're out in the field Hunting (not target shooting), in Ontario, and you have your antique pistol with you, you may be in violation of the no handgun hunting regs. Others here may know for sure.
If you're out in the field Hunting (not target shooting), in Ontario, and you have your antique pistol with you, you may be in violation of the no handgun hunting regs. Others here may know for sure.
tactical870
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I suppose I just see it as "If it's not illegal why should I be afraid to do it".
Discretionary use is critical, and there is a chance that I may be charged at some point. Proper paperwork is an asset. If you read the wilderness stickey at the top of the page, you'll find out quickley that I'm not the only person who carries openly when in the bush. Most of the more respected guys on the antiques forum carry their antiques in the bush regularly. With any luck, Pete's case has (or his current legal battles will) raise police awareness of the law applied to antiques.
Discretionary use is critical, and there is a chance that I may be charged at some point. Proper paperwork is an asset. If you read the wilderness stickey at the top of the page, you'll find out quickley that I'm not the only person who carries openly when in the bush. Most of the more respected guys on the antiques forum carry their antiques in the bush regularly. With any luck, Pete's case has (or his current legal battles will) raise police awareness of the law applied to antiques.
BrotherRockeye
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Pete lives in Toronto,deep behind enemy lines.
Your own situation will dictate the extent of your ability to enjoy your antique firearms and the privilege you are afforded with them...
I'm not scared of a wasps nest,but I'm careful not to bump it lest I get stung when I wasn't meanin no harm
Your own situation will dictate the extent of your ability to enjoy your antique firearms and the privilege you are afforded with them...
I'm not scared of a wasps nest,but I'm careful not to bump it lest I get stung when I wasn't meanin no harm
Why should it? As long as it costs the police nothing to lay charges, there is no reason for them not to lay false charges or to increase their awareness/knowledge. In recent times, the only reason that the RCMP may have changed their policy about the use of Tasers is that some of their officers may face charges over the death of Robert Djukanski. Were it not for the public outcry, it would have been swept under the table and forgotten. Laying false charges or confiscating and destroying antique guns is exactly the same thing except there is unlikely to be any public outcry.
cheers mooncoon
tactical870
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I'm not sure about everyone else here, But my reasoning for owning an antique revolver is so that I may shoot it without the red tape associated with restricted weapons. It's the same reason guys buy AR180B's instead of AR 15's. Sure I may end up taking my Webley to the range on occasion, however if I could only shoot it on a range, (or was scared to shoot it otherwise) I would have bought a new HK or 2 Glocks for the same money.
The sticky on antiques and the bush has a number of people supporting carrying/using antiques in the field, Then bashing that theory on this thread....
I'm not advocating doing your banking or grocery shopping with a sidearm or your martini enfield slung across your back..... Just the fact that no one should fear legally using their guns out in the woods.
The sticky on antiques and the bush has a number of people supporting carrying/using antiques in the field, Then bashing that theory on this thread....
I'm not advocating doing your banking or grocery shopping with a sidearm or your martini enfield slung across your back..... Just the fact that no one should fear legally using their guns out in the woods.
I had a very long winded and well written reply to this situation (as I was the one that had the debate with Grizzly in the first place at the range) but like the other poster said in the other thread, there are two crowds "yelling" out their opinion in this matter, one that's louder than the other. And they are right, there is one crowd here yelling louder than the other, making the debate extremely difficult to discuss without upsetting the apple cart. So for now, I'll leave it where it is.
Just went to an auction this weekend and picked up 500 pieces of loaded .44 Special ammo for $45.00. WOW!
Just went to an auction this weekend and picked up 500 pieces of loaded .44 Special ammo for $45.00. WOW!
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Sometimes we're our own worst enemies though (and I mean gun owners in general). In late 2009, I had the owner of my shooting club try to scare me into not bringing my antiques to the range anymore, because the SQ (police authority charged with applying the Firearms Act in Quebec) would apparently seize them all if\when they come to inspect.
The funny (or rather sad) thing is that the guy has never even known about the existence of such a class of firearms. In his 20+ years in the business, I was actually the first one to make him aware of that section of the Act and to show him an RCMP letter (he didn't believe me at first).
So... are you surprised that cops (who also apply all kinds of other stuff in the CC) are not familiar with antiques? Not that ignorance is an excuse for a LEO, but it's something that can be expected... most of the time, actually (as there isn't too many cops with law degrees out there, lol).
The funny (or rather sad) thing is that the guy has never even known about the existence of such a class of firearms. In his 20+ years in the business, I was actually the first one to make him aware of that section of the Act and to show him an RCMP letter (he didn't believe me at first).
So... are you surprised that cops (who also apply all kinds of other stuff in the CC) are not familiar with antiques? Not that ignorance is an excuse for a LEO, but it's something that can be expected... most of the time, actually (as there isn't too many cops with law degrees out there, lol).
tactical870
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I'm forced to agree. At this point the thread really isn't going anywhere. There are several opinions, all well founded. As BrotherRockeye says
That is very true and geographical location and your immediate area's perception of firearms play huge roles. Pete's situation was worsened, if not created by the fact that he lives in Toronto. His immediate area and the municipal government there has caused problems for hundreds, maybe even thousands of firearms owners. What may be acceptable or maybe even questioned in Northern Ontario will almost certainly cause fear, panic, and media attention in an urban center like Toronto. Many of us on the board are fortunate to live in more remote areas where we are not as heavily scrutinized as those in more populated areas.
The fact is we need to act responsibly and make decisions on a situational basis. The antique laws are not at all well known by most LEOs so it's wise to carry RCMP documentation and reference material. I myself carry a stack of reference material behind the foam of my handgun case and even tuck a photocopy of an antique letter inside my cartridge carrier for the rifle I usually carry in the bush. Regardless....
This, it seems to me, has been a friendly discussion of various points of view. I see no reason to not feel free to speak your mind. So we disagree, big deal. Its not my place or any one elses to tell someone else what to do, only what they do or would do.
