Press Check?
- Thread starter Clobbersauras
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SOP is load, press check, holster. Once the pistol is confirmed loaded there's no need to check again.
Confirming the gun is loaded is a great way to make sure you make it to retirement.
Well if thats what you want to do then do it. not like your hurting anybody. I just think imo that it seems redundant. Thats my opinion, not saying its everybodys, just mine. I would love to hear from some LEO's just the same. Critter, 72mustang, amazingkg, etc... chime in.
I have always personally thought that it was something that Hollywood invented. I remember seeing crocket do it on Miami vice. Have yet to see it done by any military or LEOs, in any of the documentary stuff i watch, but doesnt meant they dont do it i guess.
I have always personally thought that it was something that Hollywood invented. I remember seeing crocket do it on Miami vice. Have yet to see it done by any military or LEOs, in any of the documentary stuff i watch, but doesnt meant they dont do it i guess.
Why not just rack the slide completely if your unsure. Worst that happens is you lose one round. That goes for competition. Those that carry for a living, well I have only heard from one yet, and he doesnt press check.
Riiiight. YOU were the on who made mention of being concerned with "disturbing the slide/action" and you are an expert on what guns are garbage? If your gun won't go back into battery after the slide is pulled back a 1/2 inch, maybe it's your gun that's garbage.
No seriously. There have been several people who came forth with a reason for doing a press-check. Let's hear why we shouldn't. I mean besides "that's retarded".
Riiiight. YOU were the on who made mention of being concerned with "disturbing the slide/action" and you are an expert on what guns are garbage? If your gun won't go back into battery after the slide is pulled back a 1/2 inch, maybe it's your gun that's garbage.
No seriously. There have been several people who came forth with a reason for doing a press-check. Let's hear why we shouldn't. I mean besides "that's retarded".
I dont have a reason why you shouldnt, its not a safety or function issue to me, it just seems redundant is all. If you want to do it fill your boots.
...in some other profession. In my place if one of your sergeants will see You press checking the firearm that should be loaded according to the clear and simple instructions...You better start looking for some other job.
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Can't speak for any, other organization, but in my agency, if You are playing with your duty firearm any, other way than they teach You in the college...You are sure in trouble.
There is very little understanding for being "creative" around the firearms in my place. Strict rules applies. No press check, follow the steps...and to be perfectly honest, if You are really following them, You have no chance to start your shift with empty chamber.
Retarded, redundant, balony, etc...
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Always press check.
I think what he's trying to say is that one of these words is an appropriate expression of a personal opinion and the others are just plain insulting. Personally, I find that defaulting to the level of the automatic insult, merely because you disagree with another persons opinion, denigrates your own. But that's just me.
In military and law enforcement I can totally see the reason for reducing the number of times a duty firearm is handled. It's just a matter of numbers and probabilities. If you have enough people handling enough firearms enough times, eventually something will happen. And HAS happened. And let's be honest; the people who post on these forums are gun people, but a large percentage of people in these professions actually shoot very little, know very little about firearms, and don't really care to. It's just a tool to them, and that's fine. We're talking about risk reduction, pure and simple, so the rules have to be simple and easily understood for everyone.
On the other hand, if you shoot enough, RO enough, teach enough.....eventually you will see just about every impossible thing you can imagine actually occur. I have see every type of gun fail (yes, even the mystical Glock), and I've seen every type of gun go "click" off the draw, especially in matches where they run two stages back to back and you get the command to reload and holster after the first stage. I've seen it happen with regular folks and LEO and military people as well. Guns are machines, humans are fallible and nobody is exempt from the laws of random chance, no matter how good you think you are or how infallible the rules are that you follow. In my experience, rules and reality can and do diverge. Again, we're just talking about mathematical probabilities. I've seen enough crap, had enough crap happen to me in competition, fixed enough crap for other people, that I am no longer willing to put the expense of traveling to away matches, ammunition, training, vacation allotments, etc., on the line because a spring failed or a random bit of dust or some other contaminant might have gotten into one of my mags somehow and slowed the lift on the follower down just enough to not feed, all while while my nerves are jangling and my body is ratcheting down to gross-motor control and I possibly didn't feel it. I'll take the extra half second it costs me on LAMR and do a quick chamber check. It's cheap insurance bought from long experience in competition. But your mileage may vary and your personal experience will inform your decisions.
Personally, I'm not into blind adherence to proclamations of "truth" from anyone. I question everything and prove it to myself before adopting an idea. In the past, any time I've decided that there is only one correct way, or protocol, or solution, I've been proven embarrassingly wrong. So now I just prefer to let the numbers tell me the story and act accordingly. Safely, of course.
As I have mentioned before in these forums when polite discussions or honest query's inevitably degrade to personal insults and/or dogmatic statements of the one true way.....it's your gun, do what you want with it.
Why would you waste a round?
You can either pull the slide back a half inch and not waste the round, or pull it back a full inch and drop the round on the ground.
What do you believe is the advantage of doing it in a manner that causes you to eject a round?
i am still having a hard time seeing the need for this procedure.
You have slide locked back, you insert mag, round chambers....
If it was not chambered, the slide would not be closed, right?
soooo.... unless you always insert mags on a closed slide, i still see no need for this.
If you do insert a mag on a closed slide, why do you do it?
You have slide locked back, you insert mag, round chambers....
If it was not chambered, the slide would not be closed, right?
soooo.... unless you always insert mags on a closed slide, i still see no need for this.
If you do insert a mag on a closed slide, why do you do it?
I wasnt insulting anybody. I was talking directly to the action of Press checking. Calling the action retarded. Just a slang word, not meant towards the person.
I figure taking a firm grasp and doing a full rack would be easier with a gun full or mud and rain as you suggested in your post is all.
Also what type of gun are you using? Most show you quite clearly that a round is chambered. If the hammer is back then the slide has been racked and a round is in the chamber, unless you loaded an empty magazine. With Glocks the trigger is fully forward, indicating the slide was racked properly, so unless you loaded an empty mag, there is a round in the chamber. No need to check to see.
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