Pretty disappointed with Talleys on my Anschutz.

[JQIAN]

Hard to work with , too many springs , too many screws.

Believe me .... skwerl

I really hate to use those rings with the screws vertically instead of horizontally. I found those type of rings are very hard to tighten while keeping the scope leveled.
by the way, nice cheek riser, where did you get it? I need one for my cz

 

[OkayShooter]

You should absolutely not need a tapered base(s) with added MOA to shoot at 50m.

Do the Talleys have front and rear specific bases or directional bases? If yes, it could be that you have them reversed and sloping the wrong way.

I cannot recommend strongly enough that you ditch the Talley rings and based and switch to a picatinny rail and ring combo. Your scope should have more than enough elevation and windage adjustment to zero at 50m with a 0 MOA base.

Thanks, I measured and they're basically the same, no cant. Plus, I didn't like how they sat on the receiver. I could slide a piece of paper thru the side of the base, so it didn't sit on the base of the dovetail. I only had about a MM of actual contact to the receiver.

I've been looking and but unfortunately not much out for the older 64s. The EGW doesn't have the same hole pattern as mine, then there is Talley... and MDT ( not sure the hole pattern is right ) Nobody has #91 bases to run Picatinny/weaver rings. I'm finding alot of we don't ship to Canada places.

I have some BKL coming, which are often.

I don't understand why it has anything to do with the rings.
You cannot zero at 100 yard, shouldn't it be the fault of the scope being out of elevation adjustment?

But again I have never seen a 22lr rifle that cannot zero at 100 yard regardless whatever the scope it's mounted. Zeroed at 50 yard, 22lr drops only about 7-8 inch at 100 yard, which is 7-8MOA.
Even 200 yards, 22lr drops about 40-50 inch which is about 25-30 MOA.

Maybe as one post suggested the talley is reverse canted that eats up your scope elevation? That's weird.

I would assume the scope isn't the issue, as I seen it mounted on plenty of guns shooting 50Y, and no mention of having to shim it. It's just weird I never had a scope that I couldn't get to zero at 100, or 50.

Tasco made some good scopes back in the day. Made in Japan, good glass. It isnt a nightforce, but it will certainly do the job. I probably own 40 scopes or so, and still have a couple of old Tascos. One is on one of my Anschutz's, the other on a 6mm-284. Have had them both for around 30 years, no issues so far. - dan

Yes, with my eye condition it is good enough for me. My father for 20 years ran one of those 6-24 on his Colt HBAR and I watched him make some shocking shots. I'll agree they're not high end, but they got a repetition of being good.

 

[JQIAN]

I have similar type of Talley rings as yours but they are t3x version which are currently sitting on top of my tikka t3x 223rem.
The dovetail is flat and also drilled/tapped. I just checked and tried, there is no gap at all, thinnest paper cannot slide in, no light going through between the bottom of the ring base and dovetail.
Yours are a little bit different as they are curved. I am not sure if they make any difference.
But I am still puzzled, this kind of gap should have nothing to do with zeroing your scope/rifle at 100 yard. Maybe your parallax is off?

Thanks, I measured and they're basically the same, no cant. Plus, I didn't like how they sat on the receiver. I could slide a piece of paper thru the side of the base, so it didn't sit on the base of the dovetail. I only had about a MM of actual contact to the receiver.

I've been looking and but unfortunately not much out for the older 64s. The EGW doesn't have the same hole pattern as mine, then there is Talley... and MDT ( not sure the hole pattern is right ) Nobody has #91 bases to run Picatinny/weaver rings. I'm finding alot of we don't ship to Canada places.

 

[prairieguy]

Here's what you need. Just remove the space after the Https:

https: //www.kinneysshootingsupply.com/product-p/dp-16001.htm

 

[Claven2]

If the scope is angled up, reducing your zero range, flip the rings around and move the back ring to the front and see if that fixes it.

If it does not, then the rings aren't the problem. In that case, your receiver top isn't parallel to the bore axis.

 

[OkayShooter]

Here's what you need. Just remove the space after the Https:

https: //www.kinneysshootingsupply.com/product-p/dp-16001.htm

Thanks, trying to fix this before the 15th. MDT makes a 20MOA 1416 base but not sure if it fully fits my 64.

If the scope is angled up, reducing your zero range, flip the rings around and move the back ring to the front and see if that fixes it.

If it does not, then the rings aren't the problem. In that case, your receiver top isn't parallel to the bore axis.

I measured the bases, they're the same height on both ends. There are 8 ways to set these base/rings. So run the risk of stripping the thread holes. Just accepted I need MOA base, and different rings, if I want to use this scope.

It's just shocking as I seen people use this scope no issues, use these base/rings no issues.

 

[Gillis2]

I have used Talley rings on many Anschutz rifles over the years and it always worked very well. Rings directly on 11 mm dovetail receiver.

Gilbert

 

[Rob]

I have used Talley rings on many Anschutz rifles over the years and it always worked very well. Rings directly on 11 mm dovetail receiver.

Gilbert

I like Talleys. Especially the Q-D models. Lightweight steel. Easy and fast to install. Generally precise right out of the box. Any problems or questions and Talley will reply to email in a matter of minutes.

For some really ridiculous over-the-top "Talley hate", try Great Hunting Rifles: Victorian to the Present by Terry Wieland. His solution to "Talley hate" is to advise his readers to use super-expensive European claw mounts.

 

[Claven2]

Thanks, trying to fix this before the 15th. MDT makes a 20MOA 1416 base but not sure if it fully fits my 64.



I measured the bases, they're the same height on both ends. There are 8 ways to set these base/rings. So run the risk of stripping the thread holes. Just accepted I need MOA base, and different rings, if I want to use this scope.

It's just shocking as I seen people use this scope no issues, use these base/rings no issues.

If all the ring parts are identically dimensioned then your issue isn't the rings, it's your gun.

 

[dan belisle]

If all the ring parts are identically dimensioned then your issue isn't the rings, it's your gun.

Very good point. Time to measure the receiver and see how much variance is there. - dan

 

[Winz]

For 11mm dovetail (ie Anschütz), depending on the scope objective size, I find that Warne and Sportsmatch (UK) are solid options and good value for money. Warne is probably more easily available but they are limited in height for larger scope objectives.

Alternatively (as suggested by some others here), mounting a picatinny rail base (there are quite a few good brands) and using any number of solid rings would be an easy option.

 

[OkayShooter]

Thanks, I'm waiting on set of dovetail rings for another gun, I can try. I just cannot picture the scope being the problem, as I seen them on a few annies.

Even if it zeroed, I'm still not impressed that there is only a mm of contact to the reciever.

 

[prairieguy]

Those are obviously not the correct bases for your Annie.

If you look at the dovetail cut into the base of the ring, it's for a flat top 11mm dovetail, not the rounded top of the 64. That is why you have so little contact.

You will need to be careful when buying another set of bases or a pic rail. Be sure they/it are concave on the bottom to fit your action correctly.

 

[Winz]

Those are obviously not the correct bases for your Annie.

If you look at the dovetail cut into the base of the ring, it's for a flat top 11mm dovetail, not the rounded top of the 64. That is why you have so little contact.

You will need to be careful when buying another set of bases or a pic rail. Be sure they/it are concave on the bottom to fit your action correctly.

^Above is a key point in selecting 11mm rings. Some flat base are cut high enough for both concave and flat. Shallow cut flat will only fit associated flat and concave cut will almost always fit both.

 

[JQIAN]

^Above is a key point in selecting 11mm rings. Some flat base are cut high enough for both concave and flat. Shallow cut flat will only fit associated flat and concave cut will almost always fit both.

I disagree.
The rings may not be the correct ones for this curved dovetail, but it should not cause the gun to not able to zero at 50 yard.

 

[Winz]

I disagree.
The rings may not be the correct ones for this curved dovetail, but it should not cause the gun to not able to zero at 50 yard.

My bad for the confusion. I wasn't referring back to the OP's issue with zeroing but rather simply noting that 11mm comes in different forms (flat top and curved) and so do various brands of rings.

 

[prairieguy]

It is entirely possible that because the rings are not seating properly on the action they are not true and the scope does not have enough adjustment to compensate.

With a properly fitted set of rings there is no reason the scope should not have enough adjustment.

 

[turbo_bird]

Seeing how you're using a Japanese Tasco, I'm assuming it's an older one. Is it possible that the erector assembly that moves the crosshairs in the scope is stuck? I had an older scope that came on a rifle do that, and I wasn't able to get it to shoot high enough to get on paper. The grease was sticky from age and not allowing the spring to push it up against the turret screw properly.
Kristian

 

[OkayShooter]

Well, some progress, the Talleys did have some flaws. So, the title is still accurate.

I mounted a set of BKL rings directly using the dovetail. I was able to center my windage dial and now able to have plenty of adjustment left and right. That a huge improvement then maxed out right and still shooting 4" left with the Talleys.

BUT I went from 2" low to now 5" low with elevation maxed. The scope has plenty of adjustment as I noticed I was shooting 3-4" under the target backing and was able to adjust it to 5" so there is about 15-20" of vertical adjustment. So, I must have some barrel droop. I'm probably going to need to use Burris Signature rings to compensate for the drop.

 

[Twan]

Well, some progress, the Talleys did have some flaws. So, the title is still accurate.

I mounted a set of BKL rings directly using the dovetail. I was able to center my windage dial and now able to have plenty of adjustment left and right. That a huge improvement then maxed out right and still shooting 4" left with the Talleys.

BUT I went from 2" low to now 5" low with elevation maxed. The scope has plenty of adjustment as I noticed I was shooting 3-4" under the target backing and was able to adjust it to 5" so there is about 15-20" of vertical adjustment. So, I must have some barrel droop. I'm probably going to need to use Burris Signature rings to compensate for the drop.

Why not just get an MOA inclined base/rail for your Anschutz? The crew over @ Nordic Marksman (who are unbelievably excellent to deal with) list a few different picatinny rails for Anschutz rifles, in different inclinations.