prevalence of poaching

theres alot of poaching here too. the last couple years i call literally every little thing in. its bs and nothing more than laziness/idiocy.

if you cheat at any other sport, did you really win? i dont think so.
 
I'm not jumping to racial attacks that was what I was told when I brought it up to the CO who picked me out of the group to check for a fishing license (that I had) most of our larger game pouchers are white here aswell but if they are caught they are usually prosecuted
 
Poaching is really bad where I use to hunt in Southern Ontario, to the point where I gave up reporting it because the cops clearly don't care, the MNR says they care but I never see them doing anything about it. It's kinda sad that I can't hunt my family's land because of the poachers.
 
Calling the tip line doesn't work all that well when the nearest NRO is an hour away and he needs to catch them in the act to prove anything. NRO's are hardly thick on the ground, more like two guys for a district the size of a small european country.
 
I'm relatively new to this forum but I feel I should chime in here. Being a CO or NRO in Canada's ocean playground has its challenges like anywhere else. From coast to coast we face the same set of issues: not enough staff, budget reductions, lack of overtime, restricted working hours, increasing work priorities... It does not end. To say CO's or NRO's don't care is BS. Any information we can obtain from the public is useful, but there's only so much we can do with it. We are aware people get frustrated, but we get frustrated too. Imagine being a CO and getting a call from an informant at the end of your work week about 2 guys poaching deer. You call your supervisor and fill him in. He says you've already put the required amount of hours in this week and that OT is not approved. You persist and tell him the information is good and the event is likely to occur over the next two nights. He then tells you to document the information in an intelligence file for use later on. You ask if ayone else is working the next two nights and he says no, everyone else is scheduled off as well. There you go. How do you think we feel? Pretty damn helpless. Take the same scenario a couple weeks later. You ask for help again, only this time you have the time to work it. The supervisor then tells you, no...we had a complaint come through the Minister Office about ATV's travelling on a designated trail after permtted hours and local residents are upset. Forget about the poachers, make patrols on the trail to try and curb this activity. The scenarios can go on and on. My point is, don't blame us for not caring. We care, or else we woulndn't be in this line of work. The public needs to take some responsibility and put the pressure back on governements, to let them know we are an important resource, a valuable service, and we are only ones who can do it. If you can't make a call, don't complain about the outcome. In this day and age, the squeeky wheel gets the grease. Any information is still better than not information at all. In closing, we as CO's do much more than what most people think. The "traditional" role of trying to catch paochers in long over. Talk to you local CO's, get to know them a little and I think your opinions of how they do their job may change.
 
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I'm relatively new to this forum but I feel I should chime in here. Being a CO or NRO in Canada's ocean playground has its challenges like anywhere else. From coast to coast we face the same set of issues: not enough staff, budget reductions, lack of overtime, restricted working hours, increasing work priorities... It does not end. To say CO's or NRO's don't care is BS. Any information we can obtain from the public is useful, but there's only so much we can do with it. We are aware people get frustrated, but we get frustrated too. Imagine being a CO and getting a call from an informant at the end of your work week about 2 guys poaching deer. You call your supervisor and fill him in. He says you've already put the required amount of hours in this week and that OT is not approved. You persist and tell him the information is good and the event is likely to occur over the next two nights. He then tells you to document the information in an intelligence file for use later on. You ask if ayone else is working the next two nights and he says no, everyone else is scheduled off as well. There you go. How do you think we feel? Pretty damn helpless. Take the same scenario a couple weeks later. You ask for help again, only this time you have the time to work it. The supervisor then tells you, no...we had a complaint come through the Minister Office about ATV's travelling on a designated trail after permtted hours and local residents are upset. Forget about the poachers, make patrols on the trail to try and curb this activity. The scenarios can go on and on. My point is, don't blame us for not caring. We care, or else we woulndn't be in this line of work. The public needs to take some responsibility and put the pressure back on governements, to let them know we are an important resource, a valuable service, and we are only ones who can do it. If you can't make a call, don't complain about the outcome. In this day and age, the squeeky wheel gets the grease. Any information is still better than not information at all. In closing, we as CO's do much more than what most people think. The "traditional" role of trying to catch paochers in long over. Talk to you local CO's, get to know them a little and I think your opinions of how they do their job may change.
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very well said. I for one greatly appreciate what you guys do. we all need to be sending letters to our respective offices to let them know that wildlife conservation needs to be high up on our list of priorities. you guys need to be working your asses off! lol

i dont know about anyone else, but i feel if canada didnt have the lakes and bush and wildlife that it does, i see no great advantage to living here.
 
Can you document events on film? What is required for CO's to have enough for an arrest? We have a few around here that would look good standing in front of the judge.
 
Around here it's getting worse and worse. The CO's are getting fed up because their bosses won't stand behind them on a lot of these charges. Recently the Williams Treaty gave natives in the area the right to hunt and fish year round with no limits, which I know had an effect on the deer and moose this past year. The even bigger issue is the locals who hunt with the natives out of season. I doubt we'll have an open walleye season for much longer after this past winter. :(
 
cooey1981 said:
I would say it has more to do with the amount of land each CO has to cover, due to lack of funding. I have have run ins with them, I follow the rules so that doesn't bother me at all. Guess we would have to agree to dis-agree on that. Next time you see poaching call it in, seen a guy down this way popping turkeys 2 summers ago, I reported the goof and the MNR nailed him. Happined 2 farms down from mine. I don't mind helping them out
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My brother calls them every single time he catches someone fishing out of season. Its funny how quickly they get up an leave once they hear you call the MNR.
 
Any information provided by the public is good information. All information is kept confidential, unless a witness is willing to testify in court. Most agencies have a 24-hr 1-800# or tips line to call and leave information. Not all information may lead to an arrest, but depending on what information is provided, it may be enough to effectively lay a charge(s) or provide grounds for a search warrant. Arrests are most likely made when we find someone committing an offense.
 
What's the point in following the laws anymore now that a federal judge granted anyone with a single native ancestor in their family tree even if it only makes them 1/256 aboriginal the same rights as all status natives. Looks like in the coming years we're going to have millions of people who don't have to pay hst or buy hunting licenses and follow the game laws so why not do away with all the natural resources people now so at least in the coming years we don't completely bankrupt ourselves from the lost tax base.
 
It just feels to me like, ethics aside, there's less and less point in bothering to be legal, I'm reasonably sure you have better odds of being struck by lighting then being caught poaching.
 
Just look at what is happening in Labrador with the George River caribou herd. First Nations in both this province and Quebec taking whatever they wish, ignoring the law, and going as far as to assault conservation officers and generally threaten their safety.

Man accused of assaulting wildlife officer (CBC News)
 
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The last statement is a true, proven thing...not all natives do it obviously...but the some that do ruin it for all. No one needs 4 truck loads of shot up Elk females and calfs...
 
Warden70 said:
Any information provided by the public is good information. All information is kept confidential, unless a witness is willing to testify in court. Most agencies have a 24-hr 1-800# or tips line to call and leave information. Not all information may lead to an arrest, but depending on what information is provided, it may be enough to effectively lay a charge(s) or provide grounds for a search warrant. Arrests are most likely made when we find someone committing an offense.
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Just out of curiosity out of all the charges the game wardens lay in a year what percentage of those are atv related? What percentage are actual cases of poaching not just some guy who didn't put his tag on right away cause he wanted to get his deer out of the swamp first and got nailed for it

What kind of fine would we be looking at for shooting a deer without a tag during hunting season?
 
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