Preventing dangerous people from obtaining a PAL
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Yeah who cares! Let another psycho get a gun. That'll really help our fight for reasonable gun control laws...
Taking his property without his knowledge is called theft. That is a criminal offence that would result in you losing your PAL/RPAL and all your firearms.
If the guy threatened you, you should have called police. Threatening somebody with bodily harm is a criminal offence.
If he is family and he has used you or one of your relatives as a reference, there should be a phone call as part of the application process. However, there's is nothing that says you cannot contact the CFC anyway.
If the kid is threatened in any way it's up to you or the kid's ma to report it to police. Or Children's Aid.
If the guy threatened you, you should have called police. Threatening somebody with bodily harm is a criminal offence.
If he is family and he has used you or one of your relatives as a reference, there should be a phone call as part of the application process. However, there's is nothing that says you cannot contact the CFC anyway.
If the kid is threatened in any way it's up to you or the kid's ma to report it to police. Or Children's Aid.
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I am sure that calling the CFC and all the details that you are not disclosing is a judgement call and weighed by a lot of things that we have no business knowing about and you have no business discussing on a open forum.
However, any issue that concerns child welfare is not a judgement call or left to any ones discretion. Any threat, potential for violence, abuse, neglect, or abandonment concerning a child is by law required to be reported. This can not be more black and white; there is no gray area or judgement allowed by you. In fact should you not report, by law that makes you as responsible for any harm as if you did it yourself. Perhaps this will tip the balance concerning the firearm license and reporting to the CFC.
However, any issue that concerns child welfare is not a judgement call or left to any ones discretion. Any threat, potential for violence, abuse, neglect, or abandonment concerning a child is by law required to be reported. This can not be more black and white; there is no gray area or judgement allowed by you. In fact should you not report, by law that makes you as responsible for any harm as if you did it yourself. Perhaps this will tip the balance concerning the firearm license and reporting to the CFC.
If I could get my family completely isolated from him, I would do so, but this is not an option right now because of the child. I do not disclose all the details, this is true, and I have my reasons, but if you read carefully, you should be able to figure everything out. Preventing this individual from obtaining a license and having guns in the house is my choice since he threatened me verbally and physically. If I can send this guy into a frenzy by asking him to mind his own business, I can only imagine what he will do if he gets into a real conflict. I did not instigate him, he instigated me and I stood up to him. What do you think will happen to the next smaller than him person who stands up to him?
What he does at home with his wife and kid is not currently known to me, but this may change, for now, this is only about the PAL and disarming a "loose cannon".
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What he does at home with his wife and kid is not currently known to me, but this may change, for now, this is only about the PAL and disarming a "loose cannon".
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Report to cfo and they can decide. Truth be said, if he truely is a danger, with or without guns the situration remains the same. No one here including myself can make the decision or understand whats really going on. The system was designed for this and they can make the decision on thier assessment. You calling them should not be the deciding factor, the investigation decides that.
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Sounds like his sister picked a loser of a partner. Maybe they are all living together, and the OPs interest in guns sparked the idiot brother in-laws. Am I getting warm?
sunray, put it this way
He comes over to my house with his new rifle, he conveniently forgets to take it home with him, I lock it up after he leaves, I'm not stealing anything.
This has already happen, just not with a rifle you need a PAL for.
He was very selective with who he chose for the application process, I was not one of the people he chose.
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He comes over to my house with his new rifle, he conveniently forgets to take it home with him, I lock it up after he leaves, I'm not stealing anything.
This has already happen, just not with a rifle you need a PAL for.
He was very selective with who he chose for the application process, I was not one of the people he chose.
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I'm curious, when exactly did you become a judge? Maybe he sees you the same way? One side of a story is all we have here, sounds like you need to worry about your own life, you say substance abuse, are you talking a raging crackhead or a pothead? There is a wide range here, "substance abuse" is very vague, my opinion is only that, my opinion, sounds like you and said party have a dislike for each other and your being vindictive to a imposed slight on yourself by making life difficult for the other party, do you think life is going to get easier for you when he finds out you've sicked the Feds on him? I'm in the myob camp too
Jeffjr464
I understand your position, and you are right, there are two sides to every story, this one is no different. Up to this point I was in the myob boat and I steered clear of any confrontation, that worked for a few years, but it won't anymore. Do I want to sick the Feds on anyone? No. Not even him, Not unless that is a last resort. Does he dislike me, I don't know, he probably sees me as a wimp and someone who he can step on if I ever try to get in his way. When did I become a judge? When he started treating my family like trash.
If he finds out I'm the one who filed a complaint against him, he probably will lose it, he may even go after me seeking revenge. That's fine. I'll let him take the first punch, but that is all he will get, better me than a defenseless woman or a child.
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This would prevent another "Moncton".
It's your conscience that has to be the judge. You are not pressing charges nor ratting him out.
If I see a bunch of kids walk down the street with baseball bats, are they playing baseball or a gang on a mission?
If the kids have a history in the neighbourhood of gang fights or are known to be trouble, what is the harm if having the police check it out. Call the CFC, let them make the investigation and determination. If someone just a week or so ago had made a call about a family member who was on a downward spiral, lost job, drugs, alcohol, depression and concern about his guns...
A simple 5 or 10 minute call could have made a difference. If the RCMP thinks he is suitable for a PAL, let them make that decision that is what they do. They don't have to say why they are digging a little deeper. If there is no evidence to deny him then he gets a PAL. I am sure that many gang members out there have a PAL, or someone with one, and still do illegal things, until they get caught anyways. You can't prevent what may or may not happen. Everything may be fine. Listen to your inner voice.
If I see a bunch of kids walk down the street with baseball bats, are they playing baseball or a gang on a mission?
If the kids have a history in the neighbourhood of gang fights or are known to be trouble, what is the harm if having the police check it out. Call the CFC, let them make the investigation and determination. If someone just a week or so ago had made a call about a family member who was on a downward spiral, lost job, drugs, alcohol, depression and concern about his guns...
A simple 5 or 10 minute call could have made a difference. If the RCMP thinks he is suitable for a PAL, let them make that decision that is what they do. They don't have to say why they are digging a little deeper. If there is no evidence to deny him then he gets a PAL. I am sure that many gang members out there have a PAL, or someone with one, and still do illegal things, until they get caught anyways. You can't prevent what may or may not happen. Everything may be fine. Listen to your inner voice.
You probably want to prevent that guy to access knives, chainsaw, glass, stick, clubs, cars, etc. Oh, wait, you don't need a license to possess these. Actually, you probably want to exile him in up north out of "society" altogether. The only thing he'll harm there is a bunch of coyote and trees.
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