Preventing dangerous people from obtaining a PAL

Question I am asking is in what manner would he involve the child to get his way ? abuse or threat of abuse ? You will have to be specific. Lots of people are trying to give you some pointers but vague questions can lead you to a dangerous path or put the child in harms way as you put since the man is aggressive. I would call family services if child is in harms way. Even what you said "associate with him? I don't, I tolerated him up to a point, I don't any longer, but I may be forced to do so again" is very contradicting. What I am interpreting is "I don't yet I do but I don't but may force to" I am sorry to say that your stories are very contradicting in nature. Family already said to report him, why are you hesitating ? yes , of course, he would use the child but you primary concern is the child's safety.

** EDIT : "He comes over to my house with his new rifle, he conveniently forgets to take it home with him, I lock it up after he leaves, I'm not stealing anything. This has already happen"... ok, I am at a lost... OP, you said that he is applying for his pal, but as the story goes, you mention that he brings his rifles to your place ...is this hypothetical ? LGR or NOT, he can't take his rifle with him without a valid PAL. So, did he had PAL before or he has PAL now ?

Wish you best of luck and seek appropriate authority or authorities as soon as possible.
 
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WetCoast said:
MattRidge: are you trying to be ironic? Your statement is indeed a "slippery slope."
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Not specifically. A whole lot of anti-firearms people are already calling us violent nutjob for our sheer of possession of firearms. I'm not even getting to some tree-hugger calling hunters "killers".

I do believe that 'xp190' already has enough legal tool to act not to have to deal with the CFC as well. As I already mentioned, his 'relative' already has access to enough daily life 'weapons' not to change the outcome of any anger burst.
 
Paatz said:
Myob.
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Yeah, that will help a lot.

Bottom Line: If he threatened you, call the police, even if you don't want charges. If you have a legitimate safety concern then call the CFC and make a report to them. There is no grey area nor room for debate. Bad people shouldn't have firearms. Your call will trigger an investigation which will determine if the person should be licensed or have firearms. Your report alone will not be enough to deny him the license, only start the process. Every jerkoff that acts up does damage to the rest of us who are responsible. We all have a dog in this fight, and it's the dog on the side of keeping the jerkoffs out of our ranks.
 
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He does not have a PAL and what I described did already happen, it's not hypothetical. Keep in mind that you don't need a PAL for everything that fires a projectile that can do bodily harm. What it exactly was is not really important, but it was not a toy if that is what you are thinking. The reason I brought this up is because if you are "OK" with leaving items that can do bodily harm lying around unattended, what's to stop you from grabbing one of them and hurting someone with it when you get mad at someone?

It is the behavior I question, not the item or weather a license for it is in his pocket or not.

xp
 
One-sided story here. For all we know the op could be trolling.
I wonder if I'm being dragged through the mud somewhere on the internet?
besides here occasionally...:p
 
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We have only one side of the story here.

It could all be truth.

Also it could be spiteful ex getting coached how to take revenge on her ex partner.

For those that want it stickied, give your head a shake.

This site is regularly read by antis, you wanna make it as easy as possible for them?!
 
The op seems to be more concerned about projectiles than things like knives or any other inanimate object.
Or fists, feet and teeth.
If you have a real serious concern you would/should take it to the police and shut up about it here.
 
BigUglyMan said:
We all have a dog in this fight, and it's the dog on the side of keeping the jerkoffs out of our ranks.
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We, as gun owners have no dogs in this one, any more than WE do with the moncton guy or any other possible crime of that nature.
The issues here are not about guns, as guns do not "trigger" bad behaviour.
 
GearaDoga said:
Substance abuse, history of aggression, already uttered threats, sufficient concern to get this question raised in the first place, A CHILD IN THE MIX BEING USED AS A BARGAINING CHIP?!?!

And you say "leave it be"??

You cannot possibly be serious.

OP, make that call. NOW. If even half of what you described is legit, this guy is a huge red flag. Family, friends and possibly anyone within range could be at risk. At the absolute minimum, the authorities need to know that there's a serious concern before they sign off on his PAL.

Also, if they still issue the PAL despite your concerns... A backup plan to keep the family safe wouldn't be a bad idea, just in case things take that turn for the worse. I definitely don't envy your position - good luck.
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What history of aggression? He has had no charges brought against him let alone a criminal record. How aggressive could he possibly be? You guys seriously need to grow a pair.

Woman use children as bargaining chips all the time and have moody times every month, Should they also never be able to use firearms?

How many of you got into fist fights in school? You own guns, Does this mean you are a murderer in the making?

You people take things to the extreme. Yelling or getting physical is a looong way from using a gun to take a life.
 
Maybe I should rephrase the question to lose all the accusations out of this, though some of you do get very creative.

If you knew someone who is known to be aggressive, who made verbal a physical threats against you, and others that you witnessed, regardless of if he was under the influence of anything or not, would you feel right about letting someone like that have a firearm in his house to protect himself and his family "just-in-case"?

Keep in mind, you are a part of this family, and you can't simply avoid that person or turn away and pretend nothing happened, you also live in a good neighborhood and don't need a CCW for your own protection from any criminal elements.

I know I don't need my firearms in my house for protection, no one is coming after me.

xp
 
I dont know the person or the whole situation BUT let's take the word NEED out of this. You may not feel as though you need firearms and that is your prerogative. However, firearms are not only for "defence" they are use for sustenance as well as sport. I am not saying dont file a report but ibwould say take a long hard look at the situation as well as the intentions of the user
 
xp190 said:
If you knew someone who is known to be aggressive, who made verbal a physical threats against you, and others that you witnessed, regardless of if he was under the influence of anything or not, would you feel right about letting someone like that have a firearm in his house to protect himself and his family "just-in-case"?
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It's already been said a thousand time, if you have concern about the behavior of that person, call the police and social services. Don't wonder whether or not he should have a PAL, the problem is obviously with the person, not inanimate objects he/she owns.
 
Mutter87 said:
What history of aggression? He has had no charges brought against him let alone a criminal record. How aggressive could he possibly be? You guys seriously need to grow a pair.

Woman use children as bargaining chips all the time and have moody times every month, Should they also never be able to use firearms?

How many of you got into fist fights in school? You own guns, Does this mean you are a murderer in the making?

You people take things to the extreme. Yelling or getting physical is a looong way from using a gun to take a life.
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No record and no charges only means nobody has called the cops yet.
 
IMHO you should have called the CFC a long time ago. What I COMPLETELY disagree with is coming on here and putting this whole story out in the public. Your wording and story makes it seem like you have it out for this bully and are making him out to be a horrible person when there is obviously no proof/record of that. You're acting like the reckless one when you talk about taking his guns away without his knowledge and saying that won't be the worst of his problems. Its ridiculous, your putting this out there to see if your witch hunt against someone you dislike is justified.

Its a sad trend when people post things like this on the internet when they're just fishing for validation/justification.
 
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