Price Check on Couple English Double's.

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Looking for some info on the value of the 2 shotguns. One on top is a Gallyon & Sons 12 gauge and the bottom is a Liege in 16 gauge.
They are both dual trigger with extractors. I believe the Gallyon is 2 1/2 chamber with a 29in barrel. The Liege has a 28 in. Not sure on the chokes yet. Both have solid wood with no cracks.

What are they worth?




 
Gallyon & sons made guns into the 1940's starting in the mid 1860's the moder versions command top $ the older ones not so much if you google them they actually have a site with lots of info.
 
Aside from age and qualitly build level, condition is everything. I can see just from the pics that a fair dollar could be spent reviving these guns which will greatly effect value. When buying guns like these that need restoring, the purchase price is and should be the lowest cost factor of the gun. They are not high value guns in their present state. Plus we have no idea of bore measurements, barrel wall thickness, pitting, dents, tightness of action, internal cracks in the wrist or even how well they function.
Just as a comparisson, I have 7 vintage english shotguns of equal or better quality as the Gallyon. All needed some degree of work from one basically just needing the barrels refinished to one needing a major restoration. I paid $250.00 to $300.00 each for 4 of them and around $500.00 each for 3 of them. All came off the EE. As mentioned, the real cost comes in when having the work done. When finished, the cost of doing so will greatly exceed the value of them in this country.
 
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Thanks for the info guys. Did some checking on the gallyon, ones in good shape are over 2k. The bottom one im not sure if its a leige. Cant find anyone that is close to it. There is no manufacture marks anywhere so im not sure on it. I also got another 2 doubles in the package. One is a BSA with a broken barrel release spring and another unmarked one with a interesting saftey.
 
Greyman, I looked at these guns and passed on them. My biggest concern was the pitting in the barrels in all four of them. The Gallyon was best of the bunch. Gunsaholic gave good advice about potential value for you. My assessment was that three were wall hangers because of barrel condition. I would be wary of shooting them. I like my fingers. And the Gallyon would cost too much to bring back and I have more than enough projects. I didn't like the way the lower tang wasn't fitting well into the stock. Potential sign of trouble. But I bet the wood would be great once the accumulated oil was removed and a new finish put on it.

BTW, Liege is simply the Belgian city those guns were made in. It is the centre of gunmaking in that country. It's not a maker or a brand. What information there is on all of those guns is contained in the proof marks on the barrel flats. If you want them accurately deceiphered I would encourage you to take the best possible photos of those marks and post them here and on the doublegun forums.

Good luck with the Gallyon. Be careful with the others.
 
greyman441 said:
Thanks for the info guys. Did some checking on the gallyon, ones in good shape are over 2k. The bottom one im not sure if its a leige. Cant find anyone that is close to it. There is no manufacture marks anywhere so im not sure on it. I also got another 2 doubles in the package. One is a BSA with a broken barrel release spring and another unmarked one with a interesting saftey.
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If that Gallyon was in very good condition is maybe worth 2k in the US, but not here, 2K for a lesser known maker's box lock is asking a lot, more like a 1200$ gun, at least to me, if it were a side lock, then yes 2k would be reasonable.

In it's present state 400-500 would be max for me.

As many may have seen in the EE threads I've posted, I've sold some very nice english doubles, I think I've got a pretty good grasp on the Canadian market.
 
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If that Gallyon was in very good condition is maybe worth 2k in the US, but not here, 2K for a lesser known maker's box lock is asking a lot, more like a 1200$ gun, at least to me, if it were a side lock, then yes 2k would be reasonable.
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Very good point and very true. Often missed by Canadians trying to assess value of their older SxS by using US websites for pricing guides, whichever side of the pond the gun was made.

The other related point when using the the big American sites is the frequency with which guns are listed at prices that don't sell. They get re-listed again and again. I have seen many guns listed for well over a year on Gunsinternational and Gunbroker. They are still there because they are priced incorrectly for the market, thus offering a poor guide to actual value.
 
It becomes very hard in this country to exceed $1500.00 --$1700.00 for a vintage boxlock and that's for one in quite nice condition. Many of the vintage guns that come up for sale require $2000.00 or more worth of restoration to get them to the $1500.00 level, hence my earlier statement that the original purchase price of a gun requiring work should be the lowest cost factor of the gun and the final price will usually far surpass value. That's why a lot of people who are having guns restored are doing so for reasons other than resale. But they will only pay what an unrestored gun is worth in what the condition dictates. Others will also not pay much for a rougher unrestored example if their intent is just to look at it. In other words if a gun is not in nice condition it will not bring near what you might see for advertised examples that are. And as already mentioned, even many of those don't sell at listed prices. We never know what a gun actually sells for on an on line sale.
 
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