price to play IPSC

maxpig said:
edit : there was an ideas/ suggestion to Stormbringer about range help at a match... charge more for admission if you don't want to work... then he can hire local high school kids with that cash to offset lack of help... good idea I hope he does it if for no other reason as a test case to see if that actually worked out and could be a model for future Level II or higher matches in Canada

Great idea...

The Drama Daze scenario was even better (making it a fundraiser)

We would fully support any such idea...and I hope other MD's give it a try...but it's not up to us (at least in Ontario) to mandate that to the clubs (I can just imagine the CGN post on that one) :eek:

This doesn't solve the issues around "lack of help"...it's just an alternative way to get things done. Bottom line...this is still a volunteer organization and we will always rely heavily on our volunteers
 
compare the price of ATA Trap to IPSC and IPSC is cheap
If it wasn't for being able to take a BB course first my wife would not have tried IPSC shooting at all
BB training is a great start for anyone using a pistol
 
flinter said:
If it wasn't for being able to take a BB course first my wife would not have tried IPSC shooting at all
BB training is a great start for anyone using a pistol

That's actually a very good point...

Spedning a few days on the range making news friends....is a much less stressfull introduction than showing up to your fist match (especially if you don't know anyone)
 
Can't find better comparison than IPSC vs. Whores.........

Here is the cost outline

Price of Restricted PAL per year 20$
IPSC membership 60$
5 level-1 matches per year 50$
3 Level-2 matches per year 75$
1 Level-3 match per year 100$
4000 rds of 9mm for practice and matches ( 11 $/box, 220 $ per 1000) 880 $
2000 rds of 40 SW per year ( 15 $/box, 300 $ per 1000 ) 600 $
Gasoline for transport ( if competing within S, SW Ontario), ( assume a car drinks 10 lit/100 km and 1$/litter, therefore 1 lit/ 10km, so 5000 km = 500 litters of fuel, now since a lot of people have gas guzzlers pickups and SUVs, take 1.5 of the ammount) 750 litter = 750 $
Nights in motel/hotel 5 nights x 100$ =500$
Spare parts, barrels, new equipment 1000$

TOTAL cost of IPSC: 4035 $

Now cost of whores: For the cost of IPSC per year, you can get this many hours of "fun" with "healthy", I guess trained, hit-or-miss good looking, young I guess escort ( aka whore): 4035 / 250 $ per hour = 16 hours of f.... with unknown woman of un-verified health history.

With this price break-down I would rather go with IPSC and rely on ####.

I am sure anybody with decent living standards will agree that 16 hours of ### per year is a joke.

Why compare IPSC to whores ? Because according to the research of hobby habits, it is well established that most of middle aged males, prefer to spend their free time in strip-bars and escort parlours. Therefore this is where excess of their income goes.

When I say whores I don't count so called street girls, cause no average intelligent guy would pick those up.

If you do comparison of IPSC vs golfing, you will draw the same cost outline. Of other hobbies rocketry, aircraft modelling, plane flying is way more expensive ( order of 10-20 k$ per year).

Wanna cheap hobby, play hockey.

Wanna cheap shooting sport, get 0.22 LR pistol/rifle and stick to it.

PS....... "real" girlfriends are more expensive than whores, particularly when lawyers get involved. But that's for another discussion.
 
Well now it depends for your comparison. Are you billing by the hour, or by the second like some of the new phone companies. In that case

16 hours of ### = 960 minutes

Average middle age male in N. America in a survey published somewhere "lasts" approximatly 5 minutes. We will assume middle age because young guys welllll, you know this keeps it average
Therefore

960 minutes = 192 'episodes' of 'f.....'

192 episodes / 12 weeks a year = 16 'episodes' a month

Therefore for the cost of IPSC you can get laid 4 times a week
with a high class whatever wihta reasonably clean bill of health:D


Anybody want to buy a full IPSC set up:D


:slap:




Never mind just realized why they all charege by the hour:(
Offer closed
 
Yes , but do you break down IPSC to the actual time of stages combined ?
If you " get " 192 - 5 minute romps with the whore for $ 4035.00 . My last level 1 match had a total time of 109.18 seconds ( times 5 plus 3 level 2 and a level 3 ) , that would be a seasonal time of approximately 982.62 seconds or 16.377 minutes .
The better you are the less it takes so technically it becomes more expensive ??
Using this break down IPSC is actually $ 1231.91 per 5 minute romp .
give or take a buck or two .
As for the whores , You missed the cost of the room from what I've been told and your cost break down on IPSC is way light by my numbers .
All in all though , great comparison . lol
 
Next thing we will read will be the two IPSC guys arguing over which is more expensive phone ### or the real thing and with who vs IPSC and Golf!:p

Pass the Playboy.


Take Care

Bob
 
Quigley said:
Great idea...

The Drama Daze scenario was even better (making it a fundraiser)

We would fully support any such idea...and I hope other MD's give it a try...but it's not up to us (at least in Ontario) to mandate that to the clubs (I can just imagine the CGN post on that one) :eek:

This doesn't solve the issues around "lack of help"...it's just an alternative way to get things done. Bottom line...this is still a volunteer organization and we will always rely heavily on our volunteers
no not to mandate but become a normal occurance... then those who don't want to help can opt out and pay more... We definately depend on Volunteers but we get those few who don't want to help out or can't. If Clubs start asking for help and if help is not forthcoming then extra fees for the match ... the fundraiser was/is a great idea...
 
maxpig said:
no not to mandate but become a normal occurance... then those who don't want to help can opt out and pay more... We definately depend on Volunteers but we get those few who don't want to help out or can't. If Clubs start asking for help and if help is not forthcoming then extra fees for the match ... the fundraiser was/is a great idea...

Wel then I misunderstood...I thought it was an all or nothing. I would not support a two tier pricing scheme where some members could pay to sit on their hams at a given match...

That would be unfair to members that can;t afford to pay for that luxery. It has to be an equal playing field...

If a Match Director want to arrange to have students / sporting club members etc come out and patch and re-set steel (like at the EESA Drama Daze) and charge an extra $15 buck to everyone...great. But making it an option to pay extra and not have to patch etc on an individual basis...that I would not support.
 
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I do not want to start new topic, but just out of curiosity,
is IPSC growing in Canada?
I think in Ontario last year we had around 1000 shooters, this year not even 900.
What is the number, if this is not a classified information.

Thanks
 
stormbringer said:
Why not a two tier price structure?

Are you a closet commie?

Face it..........there is NEVER enough help at IPSC matches. We simply MUST get more help out.


I agree... If someone wants to pay an extra 10.00 or more to sit of their rears so be it... and if the whole list of competitors want to pony up then there will be alot of kids making money ( could tie into your marketing idea to young students who may be interested in joining up from the exposure)... and for those of us who don't want to pay extra I guess we'll just help out ... I really don't see the problem... but in a case like that it would be up to the MD to implement... I wouldn't think IPSC Ontario or IPSC Canada would have a say in match fees... I think it would be the same as paying 100.00 before july 1st for a match and 200.00 after july 1st for the same match


and Quigley when you say it has to be fair for all then we need to revisit the new improved classification system... because not all of the 900-1000 members can travel or afford to travel to get to the matches reqired to get classed...(I would say it's the same 100-200 or even fewer people who actally travel) that in itself is a two tier system... but it's what we have and no one seems to be complaining (anymore).

edited for spelling damn I suck at it
 
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stormbringer said:
Why not a two tier price structure?

Are you a closet commie?

Face it..........there is NEVER enough help at IPSC matches. We simply MUST get more help out.

Call me naive...but allowing people to pay to not help...will not result in more volunteers...
 
PeterPan said:
I do not want to start new topic, but just out of curiosity,
is IPSC growing in Canada?
I think in Ontario last year we had around 1000 shooters, this year not even 900.
What is the number, if this is not a classified information.

Thanks

For the Ontario numbers...it's normal for numbers at this point in the season to be less than the year end numbers...

We're on or above track at this time of the year to exceed 1,000 by years end (unless we have an unusually slow fall & winter)
 
But, is having the option of paying not to help going to raise the expectation that this will be avaliable at every match. I have a small worry that MD are going to catch flack simply because they cannot organize students, scouts whatever to work the match. Everybody will show and be expecting not to work. I think it could be an excellent idea for level three matches, could add the extra $10 to match fees, but then were back at the origional argument, who sees the value in hiring workers?
 
You mean people are not expected to work a IPSC Match that they participate in? In BC if you want to participate in a Level II or higher event then there is a work requirement. So when we get 120 competitors for a match, 60 shoot in the morning, the other 60 work. It is then flipped for the afternoon. Everyone helps out otherwise you do not play the game.

DVC
 
the work that is required from an IPSC match participants is hardly to be classified as hard work.

basically if you are on an IPSC match and if it is not your time to shoot, then you have these options: wander around in boringness, jappa-jappa about gun bans and the other guys rig, jerk in the bush, or simply work ( patch targets, lift poppers, etc...).

i am really puzzled why people even consider not helping out. at least you see how the other guy missed a target....:evil:
 
I think we may be confusing two different things here...

Work: RO'ing, score keeping, seeting up, tearing down etc

and

Squad duties - patching and resetting steel.

Restoring targets is not work...and is the responsibility of the squad members (except in the rare occasion like at the Nationals etc) it is not work.

No one in Ontario is forced to work...however...failure to help out your squad...especially after the RO "reminds" you...is Gross Unsportsmanlike Conduct
 
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