Private land for ease of hunting

How often is it updated? Apps like iHunter are also great resources if you pay for the public land layer.

In addition to knowing public/private land boundaries, it is also important to be aware of any municipal bylaws restricting discharge or firearms or no sunday gun hunting areas (except up north where this isn't an issue).

Updating would certainly be an issue as I bought the sd card 4 years ago and not updated since. Yes, one in our hunting group has a subscription to a hunting app that shows private land and his agrees with my Garmin.

Good point on the municipal bylaws. Years ago we were hunting in a lovely deer area well out of town but later found out that the town boundaries went out past where we were and my Garmin showed it as a WMU. We would have been in a bit of a pickle if seen that day…
 
How many of you have your own land or at the very least cottages or cabins fairly close to crown land. Specifically in Ontario. I'm in the GTA and wondering how far north to buy land is too far if I want to be able to do weekend trips and not alter my work routine to go up north to hunt. Mainly small game but on occasion if I'd have a few days, maybe hunt deer.

We lucked out back in 2014 and bought a turn key self reliant off-grid cabin sitting in the middle of 215 acres of private land. Two side of our property line is adjacent to MNR land that is separated by a municipal unmaintained road. The other two sides of our property line backs onto MNR land and a neighbor's property. Never had any hunting issues with our neighbor even thou they has a elevated deer blind about 75 yards from the fence line. I don't hunt that area anyway. As for the MNR land... I not aware of any hunting going on in there.

Our drive door to door with flowing traffic and averaging 120km/h is 2h 20m. Pre-Covid in the summer months leaving on a Friday after work in traffic on the 401 EB with cottagers have yielded anywhere from 3 -3.5hr. I remember one drive took nearly 4hrs due to a collision. Bottleneck at Salem is the worst.

I'm one of the lucky ones and go up pretty much every weekend including the winter months. Chain up on all four tire and put it into 4HI and my truck is beast through the snow. Quit my gun club and do all my range work up at the cabin. No issue with my neighbors as they have their own shooting range. Hunting is amazing. Our freezer is never empty of venison, bear, grouse and fish especially now my wife has her hunting license. No... the price of gas won't deter us from going up to the cabin every weekend.

If you can afford it buy some property that will fill your needs. It's one of the best investment.
 
Well, one might want to not live where folks burn down their houses I suppose. Your story not mine. Most Sask folk I've met are actually pretty friendly. Maybe ought to move this way instead?

I lived in the city that rhymes with fun for almost a decade. I trawled the grid roads looking for deer signs and no hunting signs. When opportunity presented I parked and stalked. When the buildings are 2-3 miles apart and no contact information available, it was easy enough. Some of my most exciting stalks were into the hay sloughs on a cold and windy day. That said, I know fellows who had friends in small towns who were always ready to help get permission for their parties to get on better land. The rim of a coulee at the far end of a stubble field is always a good place to sit and have a look at the world.

As for arson, yeah it happens. Unattended vehicles or campers can be targets. It is a small minded attitude, but when someone strongly believes their privileges are being infringed, tempers get up. Think about all the land agreement settlement properties, and the anxiety cabin owners had about renewing their leases formerly from a government department now to a First Nation.
 
Here's the Ontario tax arrears page. Current auctions are closed but gived you an idea.
Use the tax roll number and survey plan to look up the boundaries of properties on GIS.

This is how we got our first about 10 years ago, we're south of Bancroft off 62. easy to using 407 and worth the money to save an hour each way. We're a up every week for at least 5 days in the summer based on wife's schedule.
Being in Toronto you can even look further east towards Kaladar for affordable land and still be under 3 hrs, the whole area north of 7 and east of 28 has tons of Crown Land.


http://www.ontario.ca/document/ontario-gazette-volume-156-issue-10-march-11-2023/sale-land-tax-arrears-public-tender

Sale of Land for Tax Arrears by Public Tender
 
As for arson, yeah it happens. Unattended vehicles or campers can be targets. It is a small minded attitude, but when someone strongly believes their privileges are being infringed, tempers get up. Think about all the land agreement settlement properties, and the anxiety cabin owners had about renewing their leases formerly from a government department now to a First Nation.

It usually goes something like this. Members of an established camp that's hunted the same crown land for many years get the idea that they "own" the hunting rights to the area and are greatly miffed when "strangers" appear on "their property",using intimidation tactics,from flattened tires to shredded camper tops and scratched (keyed,knife blade tip) vehicles to send the message that the offending hunters are "trespassing". Of course,in reality,they own nothing and have no right to restrict the land use. Those tactics,more often than not,result in extreme escalation which can become quite dangerous. In some instances I've investigated over the years,the camp suddenly gets hit by "lightning",either,when the crew has left to go hunting for the day or after the season closes. Camp members often arrive to find nothing but a pile of charcoal where their camp used to be. The tables have been turned very quickly. They'll know who did it and why,but,they'll never prove it. Arson in a remote area is virtually impossible to establish evidence mostly because there's no fire service,no cell servive to even call for assistance. Perpetrators could be standing off watching from a distance and there's literally nothing that can be done about it. The general message is that it never pays to run your mouth or act like a**holes to strangers. You simply don't know who you're dealing with.
 
It usually goes something like this. Members of an established camp that's hunted the same crown land for many years get the idea that they "own" the hunting rights to the area and are greatly miffed when "strangers" appear on "their property",using intimidation tactics,from flattened tires to shredded camper tops and scratched (keyed,knife blade tip) vehicles to send the message that the offending hunters are "trespassing". Of course,in reality,they own nothing and have no right to restrict the land use. Those tactics,more often than not,result in extreme escalation which can become quite dangerous. In some instances I've investigated over the years,the camp suddenly gets hit by "lightning",either,when the crew has left to go hunting for the day or after the season closes. Camp members often arrive to find nothing but a pile of charcoal where their camp used to be. The tables have been turned very quickly. They'll know who did it and why,but,they'll never prove it. Arson in a remote area is virtually impossible to establish evidence mostly because there's no fire service,no cell servive to even call for assistance. Perpetrators could be standing off watching from a distance and there's literally nothing that can be done about it. The general message is that it never pays to run your mouth or act like a**holes to strangers. You simply don't know who you're dealing with.

I'm good...hell to the naw on that BS...can have it.
 
Why buy land in Saskatchewan? There are excellent whitetail opportunities on private land as long as you have permission.

Even though I spend the vast majority of my time hunting crown or public land here in SK, I still bought my own quarter and put up a small cabin on it. It's next to 5 quarters of public and at the time just north of the 5 wildlife lands quarters there was gigantic community pasture that would open after Nov 15th. It's now private but still allows hunting after the same date. I also split a small acreage with my parents right next to the provincial forest in another area that I've hunted elk and deer in since I was a kid. We put up a small cabin on it as well. Even though there are millions of acres of public and crown land it's still nice to have something of your own that you can hunt on and enjoy in other ways as well. We spend a lot of time at both cabins just relaxing. I've even managed to shoot 3 elk on my quarter over the years.

I guess the bottom line is, even though it is usually pretty easy to get permission on private or hunt public, I will always have a place of my own that I can hunt worry free on and to me that was and is important.
 
Studying engineering so have the possibility of at least a hybrid schedule. It's one of my main goals to have land to at least be near crown land to hunt on or hunt on my own land. Crazy stuff hearing about the stuff people do to drive people away.
 
Well - In Central Ontario, a lot of crown land, and forestry land, had leased hunt camps on it. This can be an issue during deer hunting season, as a minimum it can be hazardous to have several parties unknowingly hunting on the same property. OP - You need to drive about 2 1/2 to 3 hours to get far enough away from the big smoke to have some hunting solitude. Given you are a student on a very modest budget, buying a sizeable chunk of land may not be on your horizon (100K$++). Plan B would be to join one of the local camps, which would give you secure access. How does one do that, you ask? Well, you could join a local fish and game club, meet some of the locals, and offer your services. Most camps up here are in need of some new blood, and would welcome younger members that are willing and able. The bonus is that you will be mentored on the various hunting techniques, rather than having to rely upon the internet and Wild TV.
 
You will run out of good deer country before you can get far enough north to afford land. Someone doesn't live on that land for a reason. But there are many unpopulated and undeveloped townships both sides of Hwy 17 across the top of the province.

In my experience in Ontario, when there is a large block of undeveloped land, someone else has already got long established hunting privileges. There is a sense of entitlement that transcends changes of ownership or commercial use. The usual excuse runs something like, 'Oh we've been hunting here for years. Old Bill told us we could hunt here forever, and he'd make sure no one else had permission. We don't bother anyone.' Well, old Bill is long dead and squatters rights don't apply. If someone new bought that cedar swamp, black spruce thicket, and granite ridges, they are quite right to remove any trespassers. But tell that to a crew of guys who've been coming there for two generations. Posting signs, tearing down cabins, building fences, and otherwise preventing access is a fast way to have your own house burnt down.

Accurate, I bought some land in the Ottawa Valley and the next door neighbors felt entitled to using the land to hunt, log, trap ATV whatever because the previous owner never used any of it, after I bought it, it took a about a year to establish that this is my land now, gtfo! Haven't seen them since. As far as I know they're pretty bitter about it cause they used the land willy nilly and turns out it's a honey hole for deer.

My gain there loss
 
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Accurate, I bought some land in the Ottawa Valley and the next door neighbors felt entitled to using the land to hunt, log, trap ATV whatever because the previous owner never used any of it, after I bought it, it took a about a year to establish that this is my land now, gtfo! Haven't seen them since. As far as I know they're pretty bitter about it cause they used it the land willy nilly and turns out it's a honey hole for deer.

My gain there loss

That's why I love my place, ##### to get in, so very few people if any
 
We bought 100 acres of prime moose/bear/deer property about 4hours north of GTA for $22,000 about 10 years ago.

Swamp land and can't build on it, Pervious owner lived in England and never seen the property. Offered them 22,000 over the phone and they said SURE!. Should have asked less lol.

Need a boat to access it, Its a ####hole but we have shot so much game there. We made sure we bought it before someone else did.
 
We bought 100 acres of prime moose/bear/deer property about 4hours north of GTA for $22,000 about 10 years ago.

Swamp land and can't build on it, Pervious owner lived in England and never seen the property. Offered them 22,000 over the phone and they said SURE!. Should have asked less lol.

Need a boat to access it, Its a ####hole but we have shot so much game there. We made sure we bought it before someone else did.

Deer do love to hide in garbage areas most people won't go. I've shot a few hiding in tall swamp grass. They're the same color.
 
Very true. I have a Garmin handheld, think it’s a 62s but I have the Ontario outdoors sd card it it that shows private land and it’s not very evident where the private land is without having it. Some think that they can hunt on land unless it’s fenced off or marked with the customary red circle signs but that’s not the case at all.

What is the case then with regard to private land etc?
 
What is the case then with regard to private land etc?

According to the Ontario MNR it’s the hunter’s responsibility to ensure he’s hunting on land he’s authorized to hunt on.

Around here a lot of private land is marked with red dot signs and or fences but a lot is totally unmarked so without a GPS or topo that’s been updated to show where crown land borders are, it would be impossible to ensure one wasn’t hunting on private property without landowners permission.

Driving down some back country roads with my GPS, I can clearly see where the private property and crown land boundaries are. It’s only as good as the last update though but crown land doesn’t get sold too often so pretty accurate.

We have 600 acres fairly close to our town to hunt on and another 600 acres across the road owned by a friend that gives us permission. This land is clearly marked with red dot signs to show its private and no hunting without permission. Further down the road there’s 2 patches of crown land on each side of the road and no markings on the adjacent private land. And further out there’s very few signs that the land is private but almost all of it is private.

Hunting or just walking on unmarked private land is trespassing. I’ve heard that some provinces have different rules on marked vs nonmarked land when trespassing is concerned, though.
 
On Ontario Out of Doors forum a few years back there was this moron in the wild turkey forum who bragged about hunting on land that he knew was private, but wasn't posted. He said if landowners don't bother posting signs, it's fair game. Even fences didn't keep him out. That particular year he said he jumped fences, hunted the land and bagged his 2 birds, all without permission. I'd like to think he was just trolling, but if people out there actually do such a thing, landowners would be pretty sour about giving permission to respectful hunters.

I use iHunter for finding public land, but ALWAYS confirm with the ontario crown land atlas. However, there are some unofficial exceptions. I grew up in the north and been hunting there for years. I hunt plenty of crown land, but many of my spots are also on private land with mining or logging rights. I just grew up thinking it was crown, but when I finally discovered the atlas decades later, I realized most of it is privately owned. The understanding up there is if you arent an idiot, you are fine to hint the land. I've bumped into plenty of logging company reps and security guards patroling the mining lands. Most of the time they'll just have a chat and let you be. In all my years hunting these lands, only been asked to leave once. That was because they were actively logging and didn't want us getting in the way.
 
Hunting or just walking on unmarked private land is trespassing. I’ve heard that some provinces have different rules on marked vs nonmarked land when trespassing is concerned, though.

Trespass is a province by province thing. Mostly you need to have been notified that it is private land and the land owner want to exclude you. A fence, signs (or dots) or cultivation are the usual ways. Just walking is generally OK unless you have been notified otherwise, hunting of course is a different matter entirely and could potentially carry some serious penalties..
 
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