Probationary Black Badges

[Freedom Ventures]

Continuing from hijack in Cin City Thread...

Ie. Shooting first match after the black badge....

Not to hijack the thread...but do all other section use the probationary "Blue Card"?

In NS, we're small enough to know who is and who isn't shooting thier first match by the people in attendance so we don't use a card.

 

[Bartledan]

Functionally, the "probationary" status of a new black badge holder is a bit of a farce, currently. If you've taken the course, you have a probationary BB.

In BC, this lets you shoot level 1s, but it must be a level 2 or higher as your qualifying match.

So, the shooter can participate in level 1 through 5 matches.

I have a full-on black badge. I can participate in level 1 through 5 matches.

So... what again?

Take the Black Badge course, and game on.

How I think it should be:

Every BB course should include a level one match at the end, run by another CRO or RO (different than the BB instructor), and the students go through this match, and try not to DQ.

Hell, make this "level 1" four qualifier stages. Just have a different person sign off on them.

 

[Quigley]

Every BB course should include a level one match at the end, run by another CRO or RO (different than the BB instructor), and the students go through this match, and try not to DQ.

That doesn't serve any purpose...excpet perhaps additional training

Shooting a "match" at the end of your course with people you are now buddies with...with no strangers watching you...yada yada yada...does not simulate match conditions.

I want to know how someone is going to handle match pressure.

It's also a matter of due diligence...anything we can do to protect ourselves from liability...we should. In this particular case...it's neither restrictive or hard to administer...it's just a part of our BB program

 

[doc25]

Well when I took my BB course at CHC I was happy to shoot the match set up at the end. This gave me an idea of what to expect at a match. I was not looking behind me for spectators and am not now. I think the simulated match helps at the end of the BB course. It's what to look forward to that causes anxiety not what is behind you.

 

[Dragoon]

Part of the reason we implemented the 'must successfully compete in a level II match to be BB qualified' in Alberta was to encourage people to come out to a match. Too often, someone would take the course never to be seen again....

 

[Bartledan]

That doesn't serve any purpose...excpet perhaps additional training

Shooting a "match" at the end of your course with people you are now buddies with...with no strangers watching you...yada yada yada...does not simulate match conditions.

I want to know how someone is going to handle match pressure.

It's also a matter of due diligence...anything we can do to protect ourselves from liability...we should. In this particular case...it's neither restrictive or hard to administer...it's just a part of our BB program

Fair enough, then give it some teeth.

If you DQ at your "qualifying" match, you have to re-course.

 

[USP]

^that doesnt sound right... You think if you DQ at your qualifier you should have to pay again for the course? Or just take the course again?

 

[Bartledan]

^that doesnt sound right... You think if you DQ at your qualifier you should have to pay again for the course? Or just take the course again?

OK, how about a probationary period? You have to shoot 5 matches, and if you DQ twice, you have to pay to re-course.

No, that's dumb too.

Give it some teeth, or get rid of the requirement, is all I'm saying.

 

[pitdogboy]

If you DQ on a qualifier you have to redone the course....yikes!

 

[Bartledan]

If you DQ on a qualifier you have to redone the course....yikes!

No, at your qualifying match, not any subsequent qualifier.

Bear in mind, "Qualifiers" are called "Classifiers" in Ontario.

D

 

[USP]

I thought it was a level 1 or better for a qualifier?

 

[omen]

it has to be an official ipsc match, which in ont means level 1+

 

[Bartledan]

I thought it was a level 1 or better for a qualifier?

IN BC, it has to be a level 2 or better.

I know! I figured it was the same everywhere, too!

 

[USP]

sort of stupid rule huh, why does it matter if you shoot a match with 3-4 stages or one with 4-7 stages? Its still a match.

 

[Filthy1]

Bear in mind, "Qualifiers" are called "Classifiers" in Ontario.

D

Dan, Qualifiers are not called Classifiers in Ontario.

In nutshell Classifiers determine Classification rankings / upgrading...

What’s the definition of a “classifier” match?

The following criteria must be met:
Minimum match level for all divisions: Level II or higher sanctioned event held in Ontario
Minimum number of competitors in Open/Standard/Production division: 10
Minimum number of competitors in Revolver division: 5
Standard / Open / Production Divisions: Mandatory 1 ‘current’ GM & 1 ‘current’ M
Revolver Division: Mandatory 1 ‘current’ M

QUALIFIER MATCHES

A "Qualifier" match is match is a Level I or higher IPSC sanctioned match where a new Black
Badge student "qualifies" or completes the final requirement of the course. This can only be
done at a sanctioned IPSC match...

 

[Bartledan]

Dan, Qualifiers are not called Classifiers in Ontario.

In nutshell Classifiers determine Classification rankings / upgrading...

What’s the definition of a “classifier” match?

The following criteria must be met:
Minimum match level for all divisions: Level II or higher sanctioned event held in Ontario
Minimum number of competitors in Open/Standard/Production division: 10
Minimum number of competitors in Revolver division: 5
Standard / Open / Production Divisions: Mandatory 1 ‘current’ GM & 1 ‘current’ M
Revolver Division: Mandatory 1 ‘current’ M

QUALIFIER MATCHES

A "Qualifier" match is match is a Level I or higher IPSC sanctioned match where a new Black
Badge student "qualifies" or completes the final requirement of the course. This can only be
done at a sanctioned IPSC match...

Mon frere, I'm talking to a guy from BC with that post, and from that perspective I most certainly am correct.

The matches used to determine your classification are called "Classifiers" in Ontario, and "Qualifiers" in BC. Just a different word, means the same thing.

Besides, old son, I know the Ontario system very well, having badged there in 2004, and made GM in production just this past July.

I'm just talking about the usage of a word. In Ontario, a Qualifier is the first match you shoot after taking your BB course. In BC, it is a level 2, and your average from it is rolled into your average, regardless of whether a GM, M, or even anyone else showed up.

In Ontario a Classifier is what you describe above. IN BC, as near as I can tell, it's a mixed drink involving orange juice and (gag) vermouth.

 

[pitdogboy]

Being a proby myself I appreciate knowing this...Not that I ever plan to be unsafe or anything. My sportsmanship good because I am new and suck at this point. Still...good to know.

I prefer my OJ with Vodka and soda for the record.

 

[bc_shooter]

In BC you must complete one Level 2 match or better to complete your BB. If you DQ during this match, you must shoot a second match under the supervision of a TCI. If you DQ again, you must redo your BB course.

 

[hungrybeagle]

Keep in mind that most BB course incorporate the cost of IPSC membership and the course materials into it. When you retake the course, you do not pay those fees.

 

[bc_shooter]

Oh, one more thing... As a "seasoned" shooter, if you DQ twice in a season, you get put on probation. A third time requires you to redo your BB course...