Probationary Black Badges

sounds like a load of BS.

Say you shoot alot of matches, like 20 in a year and DQ twice, this would be alot different then somebody who DQs twice and only shoots 2 matches a year. As well say you have a bad RO who is totally unreasonable and arbitrary.

So is DQ after taking a BB course a sign that you are ####? Or is it a reflection on the person who didnt train you right during the BB?
 
USP said:
So is DQ after taking a BB course a sign that you are s**t? Or is it a reflection on the person who didnt train you right during the BB?
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Neither. It is an indication that there might be a problem and, in the interests of safety, the organization would like an instructor to check you over to find out what the problem is.
 
In Alberta you do not get your BB till you have "successfully" completed a Level two or higher match (we had one person who shot our Provincials as his first match this year.) We do give out a business's type card that gives the student their first match free and allows us to send it to the Provincial Training Officer (PTO) to Produce a Badge and a Certificate.

Some of us do have a mini match at the end of the BB course. In my case I invite other shooters out to it to make it more like a real match. I have 6 standard stages that I use and depending on the time, the number of shooters etc I will run anywhere from 3 to 6 stages for the match. The thing is I have to get a better stats person as the present one is terrible. He transposes numbers, enters wrong numbers and even makes up numbers! The students learn very quickly to check their scores!

In Alberta we have the two DQ rule in 12 months. It does not necessary mean you have to redo your BB over again, but it does mean the PTO is going to have a little chat with you and if he doesn’t like your answers or if the problem continues then he will recommend a course of action which may include having to take your BB over again.
 
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Dragoon said:
Part of the reason we implemented the 'must successfully compete in a level II match to be BB qualified' in Alberta was to encourage people to come out to a match. Too often, someone would take the course never to be seen again....
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That was the primary reason for us too - While the course teaches the fundamentals, it does not give the participant the experience of a match. The comradarie, the intricate stages and props, etc.
 
USP said:
sounds like a load of BS.

Say you shoot alot of matches, like 20 in a year and DQ twice, this would be alot different then somebody who DQs twice and only shoots 2 matches a year.
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It does not matter. A DQ is the most serious thing we have in IPSC. The penalties for getting one must be extremely serious. (and are) The penalties for multiple violations must be even worse. Be that a new shooter who slipped through a course or an experienced shooter who decided he's going to push past his abilities at every match.

And this ain't IPSC in Canada talking, the sections in the US, and regions like Germany, South Africa, Australia, the Philippines and France (as some examples) do the same thing.

USP said:
As well say you have a bad RO who is totally unreasonable and arbitrary.
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Irrelevant. If you think you get your DQ because of what you think is "a bad RO" - take it up with the RM then the Arbitration committee.
 
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Bartledan said:
Mon frere, I'm talking to a guy from BC with that post, and from that perspective I most certainly am correct...

...In Ontario a Classifier is what you describe above. IN BC, as near as I can tell, it's a mixed drink involving orange juice and (gag) vermouth.
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I got ya... an "Ontario Classifier" would be called a "Qualifier" in BC... damn, now I think I need a drink...

Cheers,
 
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