Problem with a #4 ***photos added***

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I was shooting a #4 mk 2 at the range recentlt when I ran across a problem. When I pulled the trigger, the pin would fall but the cocking piece would only fall part way and I would have to pull it back. This only happened twice in 10 shots berofre I had to leave.

It was like the sear was catching in the locking recesses!

Anyone got anyidea on this?
 
I would suspect either the sear or cocking piece is not original to the rifle and may need tuning. Likely the sear is calling into the half-#### safety catch that prevents the rifle from firing by being dropped.

I'd take it to a smith to examine the gun and possibly stone the sear a little. He can dry for it a bnch of times to diagnose the problem and fix it.

You don't want to start stoning sears and filing on cocking pieces at home - trust me.
 
sounds like a mismatched bolt or replaced sear, if it was a #4 Mk1 it could be the trigger guard not installed properly but that can't occure on a Mk2 with the reciever hung trigger.

I've stoned my own sears but as claven points out unless you know what your doing.... :shock: and its not easy to put metal back on once its stoned away and the difference is measured in thousands of an inch between safe and dangerous.
 
Have noticed this before with improper bolt manipulation during rapid fire-- when the bolt is not fully closed, the cocking piece will drop into the half #### position. This was a safety feature deliberately designed into the rifle. I suppose other problems could aggravate this action. If it persists , I would reccommend a thorough check by a gunsmith familiar with the Lee-Enfield. He should also check headspace and for striker spring tension as well as insuring that nothing is blocking the bolt from complete lock-up such as debris in the locking lug recesses.

John S.
 
Possibly your safety is assembled with the "ddodad" on the wrong spline? Sorry for the high tech terminology here, but bear with me...

When the safety catch lever is threaded onto the splines of the inner part of the safety, it will fit in (I think) five different ways. Two of them obviously won't allow the safety to be inserted back into the receiver, one spline is the "right" one, but sometimes you can reassemble the rifle with the safety on one of the two adjacent threads to the "right" one, and it will "almost" work... but drag on various other parts.

Get your rifle to an Enfield experienced smith or gunnut to have a look.

Neal
 
also possible to get this happen if the firing-pin has a full break INSIDE the cocking-piece. Had this problem with my first Smellie, which was a 1943 Ishapore: absolutely NOTHING would get that thing a decent trigger, so I dumped it in a corner and got on with my life. Many years later, came back to it, same problem...... but why is the cocking-piece wriggling around, hunh?
Yup: broken firing-pin inside the cocking-piece. Replaced the pin and all is well. It is a rare problem, but if it happened once, it might have happened again.
 
I agree with Johns4570, happened on an old #1 bolt was changed and tighter than normal so it was easy to not set the handle down all the way upon bolt cycling. The cocking piece would then shoot to the half #### position. Worth a look.
 
OK Folks!

The bolt handle is numbered to the receiver. It has a #2 head which I unscrewed and eximained. The fireing pin I cannot remove as I do not have the correct tool, but it appears to be ok. There was oil but no cosmoline and the bolt head appeared to be clean.
All other screws are tight!
I have not had the opptuneity to go back to the range again, but hope to this weekend.
If it happens again I will have to have the rifle checked again I guess! :?
 
I have taken some photos, this one is off the cocking piece
Lauriespics008.jpg


This is the sear
Lauriespics007.jpg


This is the trigger and the sear
Lauriespics004.jpg
 
Hey bro
Bring it over to my place sometime
Looks like the entire assembly can use a clean
I have a bolt tear down tool as well.

Let me have a gander
 
I'm guessing packing grease still in the bolt is your problem....
 
The 1st photo shows scratches on the bolt , where the tip of the safety catch would be if it is still sticking out into the bolt guide* when the safety is in the "off" position. This will bind on your bolt making it stiff to operate and cause all kinds of probs.
( I just went through this on a No1 )
In the 2nd photo it kinda looks like the tip of the saftey catch is sticking out with the safety "off ". The tip of the safety catch should be flush with the bolt guide wall * when the safety is in "off"
* - I don't know what ya call it...it's where the bolt starts into the receiver*
 
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