John Spartan
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Silverado said:
Agree. This outfitter has some explaining to do.
problems with a guide in BC
- Thread starter medvedqc
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Agree. This outfitter has some explaining to do.
- Location
- Lakes District BC
ok WTF anyhow back to the hunting side of it, most outfitters charge a wounding fee nowadays, especialy on grizz as there arent alot of tags, also the guide couldnt have sold your buddy a grizz hunt if he was maxed out on his quota, how would they get licences for the grizz ??? he has to produce the records from each kill on grizz, and on top of that there is no regulations on what a outfitter can and cant charge you for a hunt, its called HOMEWORK and you just failed reality 101 
bone-collector said:ok WTF anyhow back to the hunting side of it, most outfitters charge a wounding fee nowadays, especialy on grizz as there arent alot of tags, also the guide couldnt have sold your buddy a grizz hunt if he was maxed out on his quota, how would they get licences for the grizz ??? he has to produce the records from each kill on grizz, and on top of that there is no regulations on what a outfitter can and cant charge you for a hunt, its called HOMEWORK and you just failed reality 101
Bone,
i didnt hunt with them and they dont ask me before ... i posted here infos to know what can be done ???!!! especially on the fees taken but not for the game ???!!! especially as in the same time some groups of local hunters were on the area ...!!!! so it means game were presents but not where the guides/outfitter send my friends .
the grizzly record great ...when i asked representant of ministry of ressouces about the specific quota or tags filled and just for the previous year for the outfitter area it wasnt possible to get infos .... but they exist ... and as i stated too there are already some previous clients customers or hunters making some bad comments on this operation ...
but any outfitter can sell more tags than his quota is given as the ratio for positive results is less than 40% so it means for taking one grizz the hunters is more than two ... just my tought not what they re doing ....
now on the other side this operation is not member of GOABC maybe a sign ???!!! dont know too ....but there is no obligations on being member of this organisation and being outfitter and guides ???!!!
I think your buddies got screwed by an outfitter who sounds like they arent even a legit outfitter.
A lot of guys who posted earlier in this thread didnt even read it to understand what you were talking about, and thought your post was complianing, but I think you hav a legit complaint and sounds like they got buggered big time.
I'd be contacting GOABC and finding out more about them, and contact the BBB and have a chat with them, or look into some of that if the trophy fees werent refunded and the hunt wasnt legit.
As for selling more hunts than his quota, yes this can happen quite easily, but you wont find a pile of outfitters doing it. You could have 10 hunters in camp with a grizzly tag, but if only 1 quota was available, after the first one was shot, all 9 wouldnt be able to shoot one. Risky business and not something that good outfitters do....
Sounds like more homework and references should have been checked closer....but also sounds like they got screwed by someone shady...
A lot of guys who posted earlier in this thread didnt even read it to understand what you were talking about, and thought your post was complianing, but I think you hav a legit complaint and sounds like they got buggered big time.
I'd be contacting GOABC and finding out more about them, and contact the BBB and have a chat with them, or look into some of that if the trophy fees werent refunded and the hunt wasnt legit.
As for selling more hunts than his quota, yes this can happen quite easily, but you wont find a pile of outfitters doing it. You could have 10 hunters in camp with a grizzly tag, but if only 1 quota was available, after the first one was shot, all 9 wouldnt be able to shoot one. Risky business and not something that good outfitters do....
Sounds like more homework and references should have been checked closer....but also sounds like they got screwed by someone shady...
As well....yes most trophy fees are paid up front, in cash. The outfitter will hold on to the payment and then return it to you or keep it, depending on the results of either wounding or harvesting....etc.
For a repeat client, the outfitter may not worry about the trophy fee until after....but it is usually brought into camp in cash and then given to the outfitter...
For a repeat client, the outfitter may not worry about the trophy fee until after....but it is usually brought into camp in cash and then given to the outfitter...
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I agree here, the trophy fee should be rfounded if no shot was taken..Silverado said:
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Did they get a receipt for monies paid, that stated what they were paying for? If not they may have a tough time proving they paid a trophy fee and not just a total fee for guide services. Maybe legal action is the only way to get the money back.
I am an employee with SCI(Safari Club International) and I have met hunters who have went on the same trip two and three times for until they ever get thier game. Some times it is because they are too picky and other times they don't see the game or the weather didn't cooperate. If that is their only complaint I feel for them however it is as they say the way the ball bounces. There is really nothing they can do now except next time talk to other hunters who have used the services of the guide they are thinking about using. Talk to GOABC if they are going in BC again. Join SCI and use thier services to check hunt reports and outfitters. As said earlier the person who does thier homework thoroughly will generally have a much better hunt. As I write this I have been involved with several guides before and sometimes it can be the hunters as well who cause the problems for example not seeing any game because they are loud, smelly or not in the shape to make the hunt. There are many variables to consider.
Hello
im off home but they arent inexperienced hunters nor beginners and they hunted in many part of the world .... and not canned hunts
the problem is not getting insurance on game we all agree about that but ie one the guide was making stalking from car and when askend to do it on foot he was two times on the wrong side of the wind ....
but if GOABC or SCI is the guarantuees for fair chase hunting and guarantees on best factor for this why not signing but you can t never give the game beofre the hunt ..
only the best the guide is giving (who know the area that s why a guide is hired ?????) ... i dont blame i wasnt there but i know them about their fair chase ....
on the same time local hunters where there so the game was ther for sure but not where the hunters were sent ...
im off home but they arent inexperienced hunters nor beginners and they hunted in many part of the world .... and not canned hunts
the problem is not getting insurance on game we all agree about that but ie one the guide was making stalking from car and when askend to do it on foot he was two times on the wrong side of the wind ....
but if GOABC or SCI is the guarantuees for fair chase hunting and guarantees on best factor for this why not signing but you can t never give the game beofre the hunt ..
only the best the guide is giving (who know the area that s why a guide is hired ?????) ... i dont blame i wasnt there but i know them about their fair chase ....
on the same time local hunters where there so the game was ther for sure but not where the hunters were sent ...
hunt365 said:
2fat2fly said:
i m not sure it was my toughts .... but when the season is open the outfitters or concession can open let s say 5 hunters for 2 grizzlys tag and this is not illegal and then when quota is filled hunt over
i know that not all are doing that but some and it appears that not the best are doing that but who can tell me where are the best for hunting it may change every year ....
Lots do tho. I would. Some guy who scrimps and saves his way into a caribou hunt etc, runs onto 20,000 animals then opts for the "extra" tag. Shoots and doesnt have the funds to pay the trophy fee. We had guys who would fly up to the fishing lodge and not have $20 for the fishing licence when they got there...."Oh, I'll catch you for the cost at the float base" is what you would hear.We finally made a rule: Bring $20 for a licence, pick it up in Hay River, or sit and watch the sunset. No credit.blargon said:
Are you saying the guide was selling a hunt that was over?
Are you suggesting the guide was "sabotaging" the Hunt becuase he didn't want his clients to fill their tags?
Sorry but I'm just trying to get a clear picture of your complaints.
Hello Blargon
this is the problem no receipt for two extra trophy fees ....
seems that under the pressure and the will to hunt it was forgotten ...
again i wasnt there ....
this is the problem no receipt for two extra trophy fees ....
seems that under the pressure and the will to hunt it was forgotten ...
again i wasnt there ....
blargon said:Did they get a receipt for monies paid, that stated what they were paying for? If not they may have a tough time proving they paid a trophy fee and not just a total fee for guide services. Maybe legal action is the only way to get the money back.
