Problems with interbonds?

ROAlberta

I am interested on hearing your experiences with the TSX bullet. Every animal I've shot or seen shot with an X in the last few years have pretty much all dropped like a sack of hammers, or maybe taken a coupel of steps, that is it. They usually leave big exit wounds, and large wound channels.

Have you had poor experiences wiht the TSX? Most people that have used them report only great things, so I am very interested in hearing about those that have had the TSX fail to perform for them.
 
I agree on the TSX's. I was happy with my 210 grn. 338 tsx in my 338-06 this fall. It was a 'bang-flop' situation on a local mule deer. The exit wound was around 3 or 4 inches, and performed exceptionaly. I just started reloading, and think I'm going to buy a lot more of them.
What happened that you didn't like them?
 
Argue all you want. I have seen good bullets perform poorly and I have also seen crap bullets perform flawlessly.

This arguement could and will go on forever. As most of us know, good bullet placement is key to bullet performance. No two shots are exactly the same and no two animals are the same.

I have witnessed interbonds and tsx's not work all that well in some peoples eyes. Was it the bullets fault, not a chance. Bullet placement was at fault in my opinion.

I tracked a deer last year with a four inch exit wound out the right side of his chest cavity, both lungs taken out, for over 500 yards. Did the bullet not do its job? It sure as hell did, that deer was like the Terminator. Most animals would have dropped in thier tracks. This is why the bullet performance arguement IMO is useless.

It will never end. Most modern hunting bullets will do the job if put in the right place.

JMO, carry on :D
 
Gatehouse, I already gave a detailed account, I don't know where it is, it's on some hyjacked thread like this one...

Crazydavey, part of the thing that is simply wrong is just as you suggest, people that look at what the animal does after the shot and judge the bullet baised in that. The simple fact is that unless the animal is hit in the brain of spine you cannot expect the same results each time. Any animal that has its adrenaline up will be hard to take down, this alone is a bigger factor than comparing bullets. People that have shot much game know this.

The real story is ALLWAYS inside the body cavity.

Unlucky for me but it allways seems I get to gut out all my deer, my familys deer and all my friends deer. When you are doing 6 to 15 deer a year and do a good examination each time you get to have a good eye and jugement. The TSX I used gave a very poor wound channel compared to any thing I have ever used. It was on par with the 30-30 AND 170G Speer bullets (hardest 30-30 bullet around IMHO) at long ranges. This is what I have found.
 
I agree with "boo and Noel, I have seen them "pancake" all the way to the base, and do massive damage,

I recovered one ( 165 IB) from a Cariboo I shot this year, I will take a pic and post it,

I like these bullets, and agree maybe you have a bad batch.
 
Republic of Alberta said:
Noel, the size of the holes in the hide has almost nothing to do with the expansion or final diameter of the bullet. An example of this is one of the doe's I shot this year with a 162g SST. It had a small caliber sized hole going in the hide with a fist sized entrance in the ribs. The exit in the hide was also caliber sized. This is normal for a bullet such as a Partiton or Interlock which the jacket folds back against the shank of the bullet. It is also common to have a SMALLER hole in the exit side of the hide than the ACTUAL size of the bullet, this can be due to the fact the skin is pushed and streched way out when the bullet goes through. The hide then shrinks back to normal size, shrinking the hole as well.
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I am in complete agreement with you Republic, The internal damage I imagine would have been much greater than just what the hide was showing. It would be folly for me to say exactly how bad as I didn't open her up, Hence my reason for saying two 7mm holes. I see what you're getting at with the hide stretching before the bullet pierced on exit.

To bo honest, I don't get many complete pass throughs on game. One was similar to your doe. A Buck at 80 yards broadside, hit with a 250gr Gameking, the entrance hole was 338, but it went to softball size after that! The exit was bigger than yours at a ragged 2 1/2" hole, but the same idea as yours.

Noel
 
I don't use interbonds but have had great luck with the 165gr SST over 42gr Varget in my 308. It is very accurate and drops them like a stone.

Brian
 
I am a fan of Hornadys, but I'm a solid convert to the TSX.

Yesterday: 3x3 Muley. Range: 300 yards, from one ridge top to another, across a deep draw. Rifle: Rem 700 Stainless Mountain Rifle .30-06. Load: 64 gr. N560 pushing a 168 TSX out of a Winchester case. Muzzle velocity: 3,000+ (chronographed).

The animal was quartering away up a steep ridge. The bullet shredded the top of the heart and went straight though, exiting out of the neck on the other side, leaving an exit hole about the size of a quarter. Inside, the job was perfectly done, with excellent damage to the heart and lungs, but minimal meat destruction.

The big boy fell in his tracks, probably dead by the time the sound of the shot reached him. The impact velocity was approximately 2,350.

You simply can't ask for anything better than that.
 
I tested 150 Interbonds in my wifes 30-30 Stevens 325 bolt gun this summer. At impact velocities of 2200ft/sec expansion was massive. The bullet really mushroomed out limiting penetration somewhat.

At faster speeds This bullet would become a washer I'd say it would create a massive but fairly shallow wound channel. Perfect for side shots on a small deer...not so good on quartering shots on havier game.

I don't test bullets as much as I use to. Nosler Partitions are it for me.
 
RoA et al: I think that the interbond would be a good deer bullet but the problem with bonded bullets with light jackets is that they have a tendancy to expand into a massive washer shaped disk. Yes they hang on to retained weight but a 75 caliber 150 grain spinning disk is unlikely to penetrate well.

A regular interlock will lose peices of jacket and lead and so not expand so wide. because of this I would expect the interlock to out penetrate the interbond in most cases. In my 30-30 testing the 150 Interbond was outpenetrated badly by regular 150 and 170 FN's. Even the 125 Sierra Spitzer at 2400 penetrated as well.

I love the choices we have these days though!
 
So here it is

- 165 Interbond, handloaded to 3080 fps - Browning 300 WSM
- The shot was 224 yards, shot went right behind the front shoulder, I found the bullet on the offside hide,

- the bull fell to the one shot, with massive internal damage,

- it weighs 152 grains,

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Here is the bull

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I also took a wolf, and a Dall sheep on this trip.

The wolf was a 150 yard freehand shot, bullet passed though, exit hole was only 1/2" but massive internal damage,

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e44/tmartinitmart/DSC00878.jpg

On the dall, the shot was 200 yards, hit him twice right behind the shoulder. Neither bullet was recovered. Amazingly he took the 1st shot, and barely flinched! He dropped on the second, both shots were 4 inches apart. Both exit holes were well over 1", serious damage!

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I have also taken multiple other animals with this rifle/bullet combo, I am a firm beleiver in Interbonds. All the bonded bullets are great IMO, I am going to try TSX's next,
 
Takujualuk said:
Now that's a post!
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X2!

Maxx, I have to say that is a great job you did and what beautiful trophies!:eek: :cool: Way to go!!!!!!!

That looks like a huge exit on your Dall, good thing it came out back of the cape!

I wish I had pictures of a Bull Elk to show off from yesterday, all I got to do was catch two poachers red handed on our land with one of the Whitetail Bucks we had running around.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Stupid pompous-enter-your-favorite-notso-nice-words-here.....:mad:

Perhaps next year I will be able to give more info, I'm sticking with these Interbonds for awhile!;)

Noel
 
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