Problems with my new NEA 10.5"
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I wouldn't make that assumption at all. For example, in the US you can be charged for posession of a machinegun even if the firearm is not full automatic. Take FA BCG's for instance. In the US, if a semi-auto AR has a FA BCG installed, the firearm is classified as a machinegun, eventhough it is incapable of full automatic fire.
On the other hand, a FA BCG installed in a semi-auto only AR in Canada is permissable as evidenced by the number of shooters asking for them here on this site.
I wouldn't make blanket statements, assumptions, or generalizations regarding firearms legislation between the US & Canada.
CarbineOne
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No it doesn't, otherwise buying a FA bolt carrier in the US would require a Form 4. "Ban" states may disagree, of course. Even then, it's the DIAS or the lower that is the 'Registered' NFA item.
Aren't "Ban" states part of the US?
You're incorrect. Look at the links below. FA parts can only be used in FA firearms and purchased by NFA licensed dealers or individuals holding a tax stamp. There have been many cases of individuals charged in the US for having machineguns based on the legal definition of what a "machinegun" is.
h ttp://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2006-2.pdf
h ttp://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#nfa-firearms
h ttp://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html#conversion-kit
Check out the M16 BCG on Bushmaster's website shown here:
http://www.bushmaster.com/products.asp?cat=601
I own (2) Colts. Neither of them has M16 bolt carriers by design. We're NOT talking about models available to the Canadian market but those available in the US.
Read the information provided in my last post. It's quite clear what American law is. If the M16 BCG is exempt from these provsions in American law, could someone explain why?
Even if the BCG is a bad example on my part, the premise is still the same. I wouldn't make inferences on Canadian law based on what American law is.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the newest batch sent to SFRC is clear of these issues, correct? I'm an AR newb here, and I have no clue on how to remove the bolt. The most I've done was to separate the upper and the lower
Runningfool
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You are going to want/need to take the BCG out sooner or later. It is simple; check out a how to vid and give the bolt a look.
And, just so you know, the bolt does in fact separate from the bolt carrier. Now would be a good time to learn up on how it works. You need to keep the gas rings on the bolt lubed as part of your maintenance anyways.
It's super easy.
I was not talking about parts and how they classify things but rather by function. If a gun fires in full auto, is it in effect not a full auto gun? Havent we had similar issues here?
The cases I was referring to in the US were due to malfunctions causing full auto bursts not parts that were interchanged resulting in FAs or SBRs.
They was a guy in Wisonsin I think? Who had a soft hammer that failed resulting in it doubling and tripling, he was arrested over it. It was a member off of AR15.com and they made a big thing about his case a few years ago.
The BATFE argued I believe that the faulty metal in the hammer was because it was altered, even though it was shown it just failed mechanically and had no tool marks on it. Anybody who is a member over on ARF probably has heard of the case and a couple others like it.
No they would not. There is a ton of case law in Canada to show that a thing is what it is, not what it can be.
A semi auto rifle that unintentionally fires more than one shot is malfunctioning. It is NOT firing full auto and no crime has been committed. US laws are very different from ours in this regard. Your assertion has zero basis in reality.
Well, even if it's not the same legal issue here, it's still something I'd be concerned about.
I can understand that NEA don't do a brinell test on every single small part they get, but this does say to me that they need to stay on top of their subcontractors. I'm under the impression that this is being addressed with their suppliers, but frankly it makes me think that it would be worthwhile building the trigger parts themselves...however as I have often said I have no background in machining or production and I don't know whether that's a practical suggestion.
I can understand that NEA don't do a brinell test on every single small part they get, but this does say to me that they need to stay on top of their subcontractors. I'm under the impression that this is being addressed with their suppliers, but frankly it makes me think that it would be worthwhile building the trigger parts themselves...however as I have often said I have no background in machining or production and I don't know whether that's a practical suggestion.
North Eastern Arms
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Triggers & Hammers are forged. This is one of the reasons why there aren't a pile of manufacturing sources. And why custom hammer/triggers are expensive.
That being said, we're looking at options at having those made here as well.
That being said, we're looking at options at having those made here as well.
BigBeaverBoomStix
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Yea, I'm a big NEA supporter too. Really it's more patriotic than anything else, and the price helped. I'm a little disappointed too that even though I sent my warrantee card in, just barely in time, within the 30 day window from date of purchase.
I haven't heard a thing about stiff trigger pulls, double fires, unstaked BCG's, from NEA directly - only on CGN, thanks guys. NEA says they want to fix every gun but it's CGN membership that brings these issues to light. So I look to CGN for "alerts" on potential issues with my NEA 15.
I will say that I had an issue with the forward rail and NEA handled it like real pros, so once a problem is bought to their attention they do take it seriously. I'll happily continue to support them based on that. Now I need to check my carbine for the above mentioned issues, thanks again to CGN.
I haven't heard a thing about stiff trigger pulls, double fires, unstaked BCG's, from NEA directly - only on CGN, thanks guys. NEA says they want to fix every gun but it's CGN membership that brings these issues to light. So I look to CGN for "alerts" on potential issues with my NEA 15.
I will say that I had an issue with the forward rail and NEA handled it like real pros, so once a problem is bought to their attention they do take it seriously. I'll happily continue to support them based on that. Now I need to check my carbine for the above mentioned issues, thanks again to CGN.
beavis_m305
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Well I'm taking my NEA out tomorrow to test it's terminal performance. Will report any failures
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Well I'm taking my NEA out tomorrow to test it's terminal performance. Will report any failures
Keep us posted.
North Eastern Arms
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The issue with carrier keys was caught before even 3/4 of the batch made it in to customers hands, and before a single warranty card was received from the shipment. It does not affect any other batches. With the fastest way to catch these by posting a public notice, it was our immediate action. All rifles from this batch that were still waiting to get into the hands of customers, the issue has already been rectified. Dealers with sold guns suspected of having this issue have been contacting their customers to get it done. Because we knew tht the issue was contained within a small block, we did not contact everyone.
As for the trigger issue, we have identified the issue. It is a small spec variation in some disconnectors. We had reports of 4 rifles out of a batch of 450 (0.89%) that had an issue causing their rifles to fire on reset. With even that small issue, we did a full stop and reorg. We have spent 3 days speaking with our suppliers and all product on both sides was pulled and inspected. This is a very small occurance, however, should any customer have a rifle that fires on reset it will be dealt with immediately.
If anyone doubts our commitment to quality and service, I hope all the above helps to dispell those thoughts.
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