Production Division modification question

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I've got a K100. I'd like to use it for production. The factory offers a replacement part for all the models which replaces the safety with a simple plug. Since I'd not be using the safety anyway, this seems like a good idea.

Grand Power doesn't ship the traditional DA/SA guns with this part, only the DAO models. However, he does sell it for every model as a factory option.

Is this part legal for production guns???
 
You may want to take your question to the IPSC global village, but I seem to recall disabling a factory safety on a firearm is a no no according to the rules? Or at least it was when a rulebook nazi told me my 1911 was unsafe due to the grip safety being pinned.

I look forward to hearing the answer to your question.
 
I downloaded the current rulebook and checked out the appendix as applies to Production. The wording leads me to think this is kosher.
 
buckshot said:
but I seem to recall disabling a factory safety on a firearm is a no no according to the rules? Or at least it was when a rulebook nazi told me my 1911 was unsafe due to the grip safety being pinned.
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disabling the grip safety is fine.. (in standard and open) if you have an OEM part which in effect disables it (like was mentioned) then it's fine as well, as the part is an option from the manufacturer.


vince pinto said:
No, there are no plans to change the rules in respect of grip safeties. In fact, in 2006 we intentionally changed the former wording so that only the "primary" safety (e.g. the thumb safety on a 1911 genre pistol) must be operational, because most people disable their grip safeties in OD, SD and MD.

See Rule 8.1.2.3 then go see whoever told you the rumour and slap them around the ears ....... repeatedly!
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Canuck223 said:
The factory offers a replacement part for all the models which replaces the safety with a simple plug.
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as long as it does not effect the "Primary Safety" then you are fine.. Since the K100 is a DA/SA (please correct me if I'm wrong). then the primary safety is the manual one.

So..I don't think you can do this..


For example.. lets say you are on a COF and you wise to reholster, when you run backwards 15 yards.. you holster your pistol, and now it's Loaded, and NO SAFETY is on it.. you will be DQ'd (Unless you decock it, but on a reholster (volantary) you don't have to decock.. just put the "safety on" and holster.. which you now can't cause you disabled the primary safety..

At least that's my logic behind it..
 
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ckc123 said:
as long as it does not effect the "Primary Safety" then you are fine.. Since the K100 is a DA/SA (please correct me if I'm wrong). then the primary safety is the manual one.

So..I don't think you can do this..


For example.. lets say you are on a COF and you wise to reholster, when you run backwards 15 yards.. you holster your pistol, and now it's Loaded, and NO SAFETY is on it.. you will be DQ'd (Unless you decock it, but on a reholster (volantary) you don't have to decock.. just put the "safety on" and holster.. which you now can't cause you disabled the primary safety..

At least that's my logic behind it..
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So I looked up 8.1.2.3, and it describes the start condition. Nothing in it suggest to me that a pistol without an external safety is verboten. In this modified form, the gun still has a double action pull and a firing pin safety in working order.

As for reholstering, memory suggests mandatory reholstering is forbidden and designing a course of fire that would encourage it is silly.

You could well be right, but I'm still hopeful.
 
Canuck223 said:
As for reholstering, memory suggests mandatory reholstering is forbidden and designing a course of fire that would encourage it is silly.
You could well be right, but I'm still hopeful.
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you are correct. But some people just don't feel comfortable going uprange with a loaded pistol in thier hand, so they reholster. The course can't state that you have to do it, but some people will do it on thier own choice.


it could be argued that a DAO gun has the double action as the primary safety. while the DA/SA has the manual safety as the primary (as the DA is only for the first shot)
 
I suppose part of this question has to be looked at from the other side of the question.

If this wasn`t just a factory option or OEM replacement part, but a normal feature of a production gun, would it make it on the list of production guns as isÉ
 
I would pose that question to the Top Dog of NROI Canada... (If one has been appointed yet) or to the higher Top Dog's... Dino or Vince. Better to be safe than sorry. Keep a copy of their Official ruling in your range bag... just in case.
 
Filthy1 said:
I would pose that question to the Top Dog of NROI Canada... (If one has been appointed yet) or to the higher Top Dog's... Dino or Vince. Better to be safe than sorry. Keep a copy of their Official ruling in your range bag... just in case.
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Done.

Vince is looking at one today at IWA. His initial reaction was it's probably within the rules, but it's clear he doesn't like the idea.
 
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