Production Optics Div ???

race1911 said:
Yes, Germany and a few other regions nearby it
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Yep - CZ and Germany are plastic guns, Scandinavia is allowing Steel guns, but also rail mounted sights - South Africa is doing something else different - I can't remember exactly - but I think they're closer to USPSA Carry Optics with lots of Mods OK. If you talk with the German RD, it's already decided - it's plastic guns and PO will kill Open division immediately. Fritz forgets there's almost 100 regions that have a vote.

Canada's rule set is what the majority of the other regions are doing; but the politics of IPSC at the top level are uncharted with the new IPSC President, Vitaly - taking over January 1.

Vitaly's a good guy; a really smart guy, successful RD and an active competitor - so the future looks bright and hopefully majority wins, but that's why there's a disclaimer with the rule set on the IPSC Canada Website. ;)
 
From STI website:

"STI INNOVATION.

Demanded by high-speed competitive shooters in the early 1990s, the 2011® product line is continuously evolving. The glass filled polymer and modular grip absorbs recoil and is extremely lightweight. Since the grips are injection molded with steel inserts they are much stronger and thinner than all-steel grips.
 
Canuck44 said:
From STI website:

"STI INNOVATION.

Demanded by high-speed competitive shooters in the early 1990s, the 2011® product line is continuously evolving. The glass filled polymer and modular grip absorbs recoil and is extremely lightweight. Since the grips are injection molded with steel inserts they are much stronger and thinner than all-steel grips.
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Grip ≠ frame...
 
Grip is polymer the rest is metal.

I know guys have made open guns out of Glocks. I will have a M&P ported gun I might play with next summer shooting minor. Should be fun at local matches. Good practice for IDPA Optic Division with a different barrel. I would have to switch frames and the barrel to shoot IPSC Optic if I read the rules right. You don't have to spend $3K to $5K to play in Open if you are for fun. I'm to slow to play with the spandex crowd.


Take Care

Bob
 
I guess I am a little late in following this thread. But what has been mentioned in this thread is the SLIDE Mounted optics. What about frame/rail mounts similar to this?
http://www.zahal.org/products/universal-scope-mount?path_parent=218377
Since there is no modification to whatsoever part of the firearm, will this be eventually allowed? The nice thing with this one is when you get sick and tired of optics, all you have to do is remove the mount and you are still good to go Production Class.
 
ambishooter said:
I guess I am a little late in following this thread. But what has been mentioned in this thread is the SLIDE Mounted optics. What about frame/rail mounts similar to this?
http://www.zahal.org/products/universal-scope-mount?path_parent=218377
Since there is no modification to whatsoever part of the firearm, will this be eventually allowed? The nice thing with this one is when you get sick and tired of optics, all you have to do is remove the mount and you are still good to go Production Class.
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Sorry, you can't use a rail mount.

http://www.nroi-canada.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/PO-Complete1.pdf

18. Optical sights must be mounted to existing sight fitting points installed on the upper rear of the slide by the OFM (i.e. dovetails or dedicated optical sight mounting points only). Racking or charging handles or other similar protuberances cannot form part of the optical sight or its mounting.
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Is the round limit a typo? This is copied from the page sent out by Sean.


16.2 Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain more than 15 rounds at the Start Signal. Identifying marks or decals, internal capacity limiters, bumper pads and additional witness holes, which add or remove negligible weight to/from magazines, are permitted.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Is the round limit a typo? This is copied from the page sent out by Sean.


16.2 Magazines accessible to a competitor during a COF must not contain more than 15 rounds at the Start Signal. Identifying marks or decals, internal capacity limiters, bumper pads and additional witness holes, which add or remove negligible weight to/from magazines, are permitted.

Take Care

Bob
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That is taken from the rule book with regards to the Production Division requirements for IPSC (as a global body). We use the same rules. IPSC Canada has an exemption that then applies on top for 10 round magazine capacity limits due to our laws.
 
Slavex said:
That rule quote is from the international rule, Canadian laws would trump that.
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Well I asked because it was sent out by IPSC Canada and it is legal to put 15 rds of 9MM in a 40 cal magazine in Canada Rob. If I went by what was sent out 15 rds would be in my gun using 40 cal mags. I suspect it was just missed.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Well I asked because it was sent out by IPSC Canada and it is legal to put 15 rds of 9MM in a 40 cal magazine in Canada Rob. If I went by what was sent out 15 rds would be in my gun using 40 cal mags. I suspect it was just missed.

Take Care

Bob
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We are not the only country that shoots IPSC. The rulebook is written, notice if you will, for the global body. As such, Sean would communicate the rule set that we are following, along with other nations not subject to the same national firearms laws.

You can LEGALLY put whatever number of rounds in a 40 cal magazine, but IPSC Canada has a rule in place that supercedes the rulebook for magazine capacity limitations.
 
Lead Monkey

Hey IPSC Canada sent out the rules for the new Optic Division. It is posted in your post here. Post 233 above. The rules are attached to a letter signed by Sean. All I asked was the 15 rds a typo or not. Here is the link you posted.

http://www.nroi-canada.org/wp/wp-con...-Complete1.pdf

Here is what the letter had to say about the attachment.

"After extensive discussion with many regions, the region of Canada has decided to implement the attached (see next page) rule set for Production Optics for trial. Basically, it is the Production Rule Set, utilizing the production gun list but allowing slide mounted red dot optic sights. "
Lead Monkey Your calculations are wrong. Since when does 13 rds of 9MM equate to 10 rds of 40cal as the legal limit? You can put 14 rds of 9MM in a Beretta 92 mag designed for the 40 cal. The amount of 9MM you can put in a 40 cal mag is determined by the width and length of the 40 cal mag not some mystical math calculation.

Since the document resides on the IPSC Canada website I am sure someone in that organization might want to amend the document to read 10 rounds rather than 15.

Take Care

Bob
 
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