Prohib yes...but way cool

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Cool?

Here is the conversion upper that makes it into what it is:
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Here is another type of conversion upper that is on the market in the US for converting the Mac series of guns into carbines that look a little like AR's.
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That thing on the front is a 5 inch dissipator/brake...The barrel length is actually 10inches.

Me want but me no get :cry:

Would make for an excellent select fire subgun carbine assault black rifle house defender crime sweeper messemup gun yes?
 
The extra long barrel of the Uzi does look silly because the Uzi actually had a place to put your support hand whereas the Mac does not, so a spot to put the support hand would be helpful. The modifications shown also help in stability of the gun during fire and to help reduce overall recoil/muzzle flip.

At 20 yards this gun will spray a 4-6 foot pattern while flopping around all over the place...I can only imagine what benefits that an extended foreend would add to the stability and accuracy of such a gun. Without a spot to put the support hand there is no real way to stabilize the shooting pattern.

I agree that the original design has definate cool factor written all over it and they are a joy to discharge single handedly :D ...but with so much inaccurate spray they become nothing more than a range bashing toy rather than a real defence tool.

Oh well...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...to each his own...yada yada yada :D

IIRC wasnt there an MG42 look alike 2 years ago that was actually just an upper replacement for the Ingram/Cobray models that basically turned it into a beltfed 8mm mauser. I remember seeing that design along with another one that mimicked the looks of the FN PARA.
 
Well after looking at the AK-47 and it's cheap stamped receiver...then looking at the Mac models and their stamped steel and welded receiver it begs the question about the AK's.

Being a rifle cartridge and having a stamped steel receiver riveted to the forward and rear trunions along with a single support rivet to hold the whole thing from warping during fire, and with it's reliability in the field the AK has already proven that stamped steel receivers can work.

Over the years there has been an interesting trend to find out what the least amount of material is needed in order to actually have a functioning firearm operate reliably. Glock is proof of that...using the cheapest sourced materials and of all things, plastic, in order to make a reliable firearm that works well enough to be inexpensive yet ruggedly operable.

The AK really was a jump forward in the manufacture of mass production firearms parts as well as reliable weapons and the Mac's and other firearms in the world resemble that process.

Cheap but reliable...somewhat. :D
 
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There's one of the "TASK" Slowfire conversions for the MAC.

Basically, the things go like run-away zippers when they're shooting normally, so to bring them down to a more manageable full-auto speed of 5-600 RPM, a group in the States (TASK) and they modded them to add an AR-15 buffer and spring to it.

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Kinda neat idea, it was in Small Arms Review a few years ago.

I think there's also conversions out there for the Mac that uses the MAC Lower as the host for different uppers, like the RPD or the Minimi (C-9/M-249)

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Some neat ideas!

Still an ugly gun though!

NS
 
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I especially like this variant...thanks for posting it NS, as I have been looking for pics of the M4 stock attachment locked on to one of the macs with that AR upper lookalike, for a while now.

One would probably get much better controllability in that configuration having the stock more in line with the bore axis as well as that extra weight, all countering the effects of recoil. I also think it would look much better with the forward stock assembly from my first pic at the beginning of this thread...and then attach to that a vertical forward grip for extra added control. :D

Aren't the two upper assemblies in the lower pics there of the RPD and the minimi actually classed as firearms by themselves? I had heard that this is what the BATFE classed tham as back in 2001; ie. destructive devices/class III
 
Here are some other attachments for the Mac that allow an M4/CAR stock to be attached:

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That first stock adapter obviously requires no modification to the locking assembly whatsoever...simple a stock insert...very smart idea indeed :D
 
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Stock or nothing......
 
Apparently they got the RPD/MAC upper dohickey approved for sale as a non-firearm. How i don't know but they are now said to be available for 7K USD+.

The 8mm MG42 beltfed you mention was called the XMG and was designed to fit onto a AR/M16 lower (was also made from a MG34 BTW)- but for some reason the BATF decided it was, in itself a title 1(same as any other otherwise unrestricted/non class 3 gun) firearm ( IIRC).

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All these nice toys. All you'd need is an mechanical engineer with some firearms experience and he could design a beltfed upper for AR's (yes I know they exist) for a fair price. Just a thought.

Anybody ??
 
peckerwood said:
Sounds like it would be a Canadian made Ares Shrike knock-off :D

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Mmmmmmmmmm.... daddy like :lol: :lol: :lol:

It is not prohib as long as it is not select fire right?

Or is there another bulls*it law that i don't know about?
 
Just went to the Ares site.... a little prohibitive pricing for some metal parts huh?

here is the gist:

www.aresdefense.com said:
Section 1: Product Description
The commercial Shrike 5.56™ unit consists of a barreled upper receiver assembly that is designed to
replace the standard upper receiver assembly of the AR15/M16/M4 family of firearms. The Shrike 5.56™
is readily installed upon MIL-SPEC AR15/M16/M4 lower receiver assemblies without permanent
modification of the host firearm or lower receiver. It features a quick-change barrel, is gas-piston operated
and locked by a rotating bolt. Once installed upon the lower receiver assembly, the Shrike 5.56™ will
accept magazine-fed ammunition from standard M16 type magazines through the lower receiver. The
Shrike 5.56™ is also designed to accept M27 (SAW) linked ammunition through a top-cover feed
assembly. Barrel length is approximately 16.25” and is offered either “pre-ban” or “post-ban” compliant.
The sights are non-folding with protected-post on front and protected-peep type aperture on rear. The
handguard is insulated and without MIL-STD 1913 Picatinny Rail interface. The Shrike 5.56™ is offered
with either semi-automatic or full-automatic style bolt carrier and (10) M27 disintegrating links will
accompany each unit. The Shrike 5.56™ is a patented product with additional patents pending.
Section 2: Ordering Instructions
Current price for the Shrike 5.56™ is $4,995.00 plus shipping & handling. A deposit in the amount of
$1,000.00 per unit must accompany all orders for the Shrike 5.56™. The balance amount plus shipping &
handling is due upon product delivery. Deposits may be made with a check or money order payable to:

Mailing: Ares Defense Systems, Inc. Shipping: Ares Defense Systems, Inc.
P.O. Box 10667 Radford Army Ammunition Plant
Blacksburg, VA State Route 114, Bldg. 208
24062 – USA Radford, VA 24141 - USA
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Too bad one could not get an export/import permit... but maybe :)
 
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