Prohibited Explained

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hey guys.

Can anyone explain the whole process behind prohibs please? Obviously I've understood wrong.

can anyone obtain a "P" endorsement on the PAL?

If a person has the "p": can they use the firearms?
whats the process behind acquiring a prohib?

I was under the impression that the man was trying to phase out the existence of prohibs.
 
I beleive that you need to inherit one from a relative, it has to be in system aleeady, you need to get your rpal and there may be an additional training element. I am sure someone will be along shortly to correct me.
 
If a person does not have a grandfathered prohibited endorsement, the only way to get one is for a person with restricted to acquire a pre-'46 family handgun. Non-family prohibited handguns cannot be acquired.
If a person owns 12-6 handguns, they can be transported the same way as a restricted firearm can be transported.
Prohibited longarms (12-2/3/4/5) cannot be taken to a range and shot there, with very few exceptions.
When the prohibited classifications were established, the intent was immediate confiscation. Then the possibility of having to pay compensation reared its ugly head. So the grandfathering system was established so that there would be slow and steady elimination of these firearms. Prohibition affected about 2/3 of the firearms that were registered at the time of implementation.
 
i found some information that i was looking for in another section of the site. IF i can figure out how to put a link i will do so for those interested. thanks for the replies thus far.

heres what im reading: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-697341.html

in a nut shell, if an individual used to own a prohib, and went through the proper steps, they can still buy sell trade and own them, however can they be used? if not (as is how i understand it) why the frik would a person obtain/ keep/ want one at all?
 
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Only 12(6) handguns can be used. All other 12(x) are safe queens and never to see the light of day, until the owner sells it to another 12(x) holder or dies, in which case the gun is surrendered without compensation and probably destroyed. This day will come as there are no new 12(x) permits issued.

Ironic thing is all 12(x) guns are still subject to mag limits! Why would anyone worry about a mag limit on a gun they can never shoot!?!? ( Except 12(6) of course)
 
Yes owners of prohib handguns can use them a the shooting range, process is the same as restricted handguns, you may acquire them for target shooting or collection.

There is no "P" endorsement on the PAL but 12(X) depending of the class of prohib firearm one may own.
 
tiriaq said:
... Prohibition affected about 2/3 of the firearms that were registered at the time of implementation.
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When the lawmakers decided upon 105mm as being the minimum barrel length for non-prohibited, they were very clever. It would have been more sensible and typical of regulations to establish a nice round number like 100mm as the minimum. But 4" (a common barrel length) = 102mm. So making anything less than 105mm prohib included a huge bunch of guns that were 4". It's anecdotal, but I recall hearing at the time that roughly half of the registered handguns in Canada were prohibited when the law came into effect.
 
lannard said:
... in a nut shell, if an individual used to own a prohib, and went through the proper steps, they can still buy sell trade and own them, however can they be used? if not (as is how i understand it) why the frik would a person obtain/ keep/ want one at all?
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My understanding is that individuals need to retain possession of at least one prohib firearm to keep their status. And that begs the question: What would happen if a 12(6) owner had all their prohibs stolen? Would they lose their status?

For us 12(6) prohibited handgun owners, these guns are just like any other handgun. We can buy, sell, trade, transport, and shoot them. For a transfer from one 12(6) guy to another, the RCMP and CFOs treat it as they would any restricted transfer. With 12(6) prohib handguns, though, there have been no new ones imported into Canada since the law was implemented 20 years ago. Also, any prohibs that are transferred out of the country are gone for good.
 
Calahan said:
My understanding is that individuals need to retain possession of at least one prohib firearm to keep their status. And that begs the question: What would happen if a 12(6) owner had all their prohibs stolen? Would they lose their status?
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No. Although the guns were stolen they are still registered to the rightful owner and would be returned to him if recovered so his status would be maintained.
 
tiriaq said:
If a person does not have a grandfathered prohibited endorsement, the only way to get one is for a person with restricted to acquire a pre-'46 family handgun. Non-family prohibited handguns cannot be acquired.
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I have a rpal but no prohibited and have met a widow that her husband passed away and she just wants to get rid of her husbands old firearms. I told her i can't take them but can help in selling them and joked about her adopting me so she could grandfather them to me. Question being is there any loopholes that i can get a prohibited license from this situation? Like what if she leaves them to me in her will when she passes away?
 
My Step-Father gave me his guns when my Mom and him moved out of the countryside and into town. One item was a S&W K22 revolver with if I recall, a 76 mm barrel. Not sure of the date of manufacture of the revolver but it didn't matter, even though he had been married to my mom for over 25 years there was no way that they would allow it to be transferred to me. They said that my Mom could go through the firearms course to get her licence, have my Step-Father transfer the firearm to her, then she in turn could transfer it to me as a 12.7. I wasn't going to put her through all the BS so I asked my Step-Father to transfer it to a buddy of mine who has his 12.6.
 
freekshow001 said:
I have a rpal but no prohibited and have met a widow that her husband passed away and she just wants to get rid of her husbands old firearms. I told her i can't take them but can help in selling them and joked about her adopting me so she could grandfather them to me. Question being is there any loopholes that i can get a prohibited license from this situation? Like what if she leaves them to me in her will when she passes away?
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Z06corvette said:
My Step-Father gave me his guns when my Mom and him moved out of the countryside and into town. One item was a S&W K22 revolver with if I recall, a 76 mm barrel. Not sure of the date of manufacture of the revolver but it didn't matter, even though he had been married to my mom for over 25 years there was no way that they would allow it to be transferred to me. They said that my Mom could go through the firearms course to get her licence, have my Step-Father transfer the firearm to her, then she in turn could transfer it to me as a 12.7. I wasn't going to put her through all the BS so I asked my Step-Father to transfer it to a buddy of mine who has his 12.6.
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Hmm, so if i marry a 70+ year old woman with a prohibited license i could than get my prohibited license? Im not going to marry her for it but for sake of argument that could be a loophole?
 
freekshow001 said:
Hmm, so if i marry a 70+ year old woman with a prohibited license i could than get my prohibited license? Im not going to marry her for it but for sake of argument that could be a loophole?
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The simple answer to that is.......probably. She would have to also have prohibs and pass them to you; that is , I believe the only exemption to the 'blood relative' requirement of our current law. The law governing marriage and inheritance trump the firearms act, that is how an executor of an estate can take possession of firearms even if they do not have a PAL or RPAL. IMHO, the area regarding prohibs was the only part of the act that was designed by someone that knew firearms and exactly what they were doing. It was done with great malice and forethought, to eventually eliminate those firearms and as many as they possibly could. Very few guns 'fell through the cracks' in that legislation.
 
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freakshow001: You would only be able to inherit your wife's pre-1946 prohibs. You would then have 12(7) status, which would not allow you to possess/acquire any prohibs other than the ones you could inherit.
 
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