Prohibited Handgun Grandfather Questions

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Hi all,

I was discussing this with a friend of mine the other day.
If someone had come into possession of a bunch of prohibited (short barrel and .25 caliber) handguns from a grandparent who passed away, what would be the outcome of trying to register these? What would happen with that person's PAL status? Also, would the changes enable that person to purchase more prohibited handguns in the future?

I wasn't really sure the grandfathering rules and how the possession/acquisition status was affected.

Thanks in advance
 
IF the guns were manufactured prior to 1946, AND they are currently registered, you could take possession of them as 12(7) guns. You would only be allowed to inherit these particular guns, and could not then acquire other 12(6) guns.

If they are made after 1945 they are not eligible for 12(7) status. If they were not registered, or the certificates are expired, they are contriband and cannot be brought into the registry.
 
redleg said:
snip...or the certificates are expired, they are contriband and cannot be brought into the registry.
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Have to disagree with this as I know of more than a dozen occasions where expired cert guns have been entered into the new system. The owner however has lost his status thru the lapsed cert, but the gun has not.

Having said that I know we are all also aware of several situations where the CPFOs have abused their positions and created policies which are not in accordance with the law & regulations - SAPs anyone??.
 
redleg said:
IF the guns were manufactured prior to 1946, AND they are currently registered, you could take possession of them as 12(7) guns. You would only be allowed to inherit these particular guns, and could not then acquire other 12(6) guns.

If they are made after 1945 they are not eligible for 12(7) status. If they were not registered, or the certificates are expired, they are contriband and cannot be brought into the registry.
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So if I'm reading this right, you're saying that prohibited guns manufactured prior to 1945 that have not been registered, or the registration is old and expired, can not be brought into the new system?

I'm curious - how does one get the ability to purchase prohibited handguns or rifles?
 
boomer271 said:
If you don't have it now, you won't have it ever. Sad but true.
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...and unfortunately, as I understand it, when guys with prohib status are no longer of this earth, Big Brother will step in and steal their 12.6 guns from widows/estates while making it all look very legal and officious...oops, I mean "confiscate" for the greater good...when normally society frowns upon stealing from the dead...oops again... did I say that with my "outside voice"?
 
Lee Enfield said:
Have to disagree with this as I know of more than a dozen occasions where expired cert guns have been entered into the new system. The owner however has lost his status thru the lapsed cert, but the gun has not.

Having said that I know we are all also aware of several situations where the CPFOs have abused their positions and created policies which are not in accordance with the law & regulations - SAPs anyone??.
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Well then you have a case where the folks in the registry are doing more than they have to. The FA states that the guns must be continuously owned (registered) to remain grandfathered. Having your license lapse, means the certificates expire. Thus the CFC does not have to allow them to be grandfathered, but apparently choose to.
 
redleg said:
Thus the CFC does not have to allow them to be grandfathered, but apparently choose to.
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They occasionally take the realistic position that if the guns aren't brought into the registry, then they are much more likely to be sold in a back alley.
 
Chuckbuster said:
...and unfortunately, as I understand it, when guys with prohib status are no longer of this earth, Big Brother will step in and steal their 12.6 guns from widows/estates while making it all look very legal and officious...oops, I mean "confiscate" for the greater good...when normally society frowns upon stealing from the dead...oops again... did I say that with my "outside voice"?
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Actually they are not confiscated, they are seized and forfeited to the crown. I know, either way you dont get to keep them.
 
Pancake81 said:
Actually they are not confiscated, they are seized and forfeited to the crown. I know, either way you dont get to keep them.
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My point exactly;)..."seized and forfeit" = "confiscation" = "state sanctioned theft"...the Americans caught hell over such word games in south east Asia a few decades ago..."sweep and clear" = the new "search and destroy".
 
Just make sure your kids are into firearms, so you can keep inheritable prohibs in Canada for future generations. If you have your 12(6) buy lots and bequeath to your direct family members. Keeping prohibs alive in Canada.
 
tiina said:
Just make sure your kids are into firearms, so you can keep inheritable prohibs in Canada for future generations. If you have your 12(6) buy lots and bequeath to your direct family members. Keeping prohibs alive in Canada.
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I didn't think they could be passed on unless they were manufactured prior to 1945...so, if you have a 4" Smith that was made, and which you bought just before all this nonsense became law, you are out of luck...no?
 
Canadian80 said:
Hi all,

I was discussing this with a friend of mine the other day.
If someone had come into possession of a bunch of prohibited (short barrel and .25 caliber) handguns from a grandparent who passed away, what would be the outcome of trying to register these? What would happen with that person's PAL status? Also, would the changes enable that person to purchase more prohibited handguns in the future?

I wasn't really sure the grandfathering rules and how the possession/acquisition status was affected.

Thanks in advance
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Chances are these prohib handguns are probably registered under the old system (handguns are registered in Canada since 1934)

Check for old green registration certificates, if you find those certificates the guns can still be registered in the new system and transfered to someone who has the proper class on his permit.

Since that person is dead his PAL is no longer valid, but if the guns are registered under the old system, the guns are still granfathered and transferable.

The executor will handle that, and it is perfectly legal, he may even sell them in the EE section of this forum if he want to.

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What I always wondered is, are 12(7) handguns transferable down the road from direct-relative to direct relative ? In other words, are current owners of 12(7) allowed to pass them on to their children, and so on, thus keeping a chain of custody of precious heirlooms within the family ?
 
RobSmith said:
What I always wondered is, are 12(7) handguns transferable down the road from direct-relative to direct relative ? In other words, are current owners of 12(7) allowed to pass them on to their children, and so on, thus keeping a chain of custody of precious heirlooms within the family ?
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That's a very good question...not that it does me any good, but a good question nonetheless!
 
Call the CFC and ask them for yourself what is going to happen.

They CAN NOT confiscate your guns over the phone, nor are police going to show up at your door cause they're tracing your # :D

I do not approve of this whatsoever, but someone I know brought back guns from the US and had them registered w/ NO issues whatsoever.

The CFC has a law where they can't interrogate you as to how/where you acquired the firearm if it comes up legit in their system. If it is labelled something else (stolen for example), that is a different issue.

I've discussed this w/ them many times on the phone regarding all my phohibs.
 
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